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In reply to the discussion: The government figured out sockpuppet managment but not "persona management". [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)27. The influx is steady, wars or not. And the numbers will keep increasing
until this board looks like Corporate Defense Underground. A very creepy, unnatural pattern is evident.
I wrote about this a while back:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367
We are not talking last-century MSM propaganda on TV and radio. We are talking highly targeted and interactive propaganda across the internet, such that people who believe they are merely having political discussions with others online are immediately and relentlessly countered with corporate talking points and social manipulation/mocking/bullying when they challenge the corporate party line. There is a great deal of theater going on to create the illusion that Americans support what is being done to us and have contempt for those who don't.
DU has a history and an identity that is well-known to those of us who have been here since near its beginning. The flavor of its membership was generally steady during the early years. What is happening to it now is, quite frankly, not natural. It is particularly not natural on a liberal board, given the political climate and the general distrust across the country of our government.
The number of corporatism-celebrating personas, and especially the ratio of them to traditional Democrats on DU, is constantly, gradually, and unnaturally increasing. The number of expected recs for a post blatantly supporting antidemocratic, anti-Constitutional, corporate (often Bush II) policies used to be in the single digits. It is gradually increasing in a way too steady to be accidental, to the point that such posts now routinely garner 50+ recs. The influx of low-count posters coming in spouting the corporate line is constant and unrealistic.
And this marked change in the quality of the participation on the board is not unique to DU. This is happening all over the internet, on all the major political boards. The corporate forces that have taken control of our government have very deep pockets. Also keep in mind that the primary goal of any state turning to authoritarianism is to manage public opinion and public response so as to reduce the likelihood of pushback and revolt. Millions of us are being pushed into poverty, and our Constitutional protections are being stripped. Of course great attention and money will be poured into managing public opinion and creating the illusion that the people support what is being done to them.
One of the great unresearched and untold stories in the media right now, I am convinced, is the growth of the new Propaganda State alongside the Surveillance State. Governments and their corporate appendages use propaganda, and the more authoritarian and corporate governments become, the more they will rely on such "advertising" and stealth manipulation of public opinion. The level of cash and technology available now makes today's propaganda unlike any we have seen in the the past in terms of its relentlessness and interactivity.
We are not talking last-century MSM propaganda on TV and radio. We are talking highly targeted and interactive propaganda across the internet, such that people who believe they are merely having political discussions with others online are immediately and relentlessly countered with corporate talking points and social manipulation/mocking/bullying when they challenge the corporate party line. There is a great deal of theater going on to create the illusion that Americans support what is being done to us and have contempt for those who don't.
DU has a history and an identity that is well-known to those of us who have been here since near its beginning. The flavor of its membership was generally steady during the early years. What is happening to it now is, quite frankly, not natural. It is particularly not natural on a liberal board, given the political climate and the general distrust across the country of our government.
The number of corporatism-celebrating personas, and especially the ratio of them to traditional Democrats on DU, is constantly, gradually, and unnaturally increasing. The number of expected recs for a post blatantly supporting antidemocratic, anti-Constitutional, corporate (often Bush II) policies used to be in the single digits. It is gradually increasing in a way too steady to be accidental, to the point that such posts now routinely garner 50+ recs. The influx of low-count posters coming in spouting the corporate line is constant and unrealistic.
And this marked change in the quality of the participation on the board is not unique to DU. This is happening all over the internet, on all the major political boards. The corporate forces that have taken control of our government have very deep pockets. Also keep in mind that the primary goal of any state turning to authoritarianism is to manage public opinion and public response so as to reduce the likelihood of pushback and revolt. Millions of us are being pushed into poverty, and our Constitutional protections are being stripped. Of course great attention and money will be poured into managing public opinion and creating the illusion that the people support what is being done to them.
One of the great unresearched and untold stories in the media right now, I am convinced, is the growth of the new Propaganda State alongside the Surveillance State. Governments and their corporate appendages use propaganda, and the more authoritarian and corporate governments become, the more they will rely on such "advertising" and stealth manipulation of public opinion. The level of cash and technology available now makes today's propaganda unlike any we have seen in the the past in terms of its relentlessness and interactivity.
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The government figured out sockpuppet managment but not "persona management". [View all]
Catherina
Jul 2013
OP
I'm in no position to list names but I know my ignore list here covers some of them
Catherina
Jul 2013
#5
I'm not sure about it becoming more difficult to recognize them. Not to disagree totally as you
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#263
almost every jury i've served on is someone complaining about something ridiculous
xiamiam
Jul 2013
#199
You notice how they're the ones who wail the loudest about hurt feelings?
backscatter712
Jul 2013
#192
Indicators of persona management would be rapid climbs in post counts and clustering by a group
leveymg
Jul 2013
#6
We saw a crew of professional crisis managers here after the Fukushima disaster.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#45
And typos will be a problem, missing spaces, misspellings, webisms, mispelled webisms , slang ..
bemildred
Jul 2013
#185
That is why certain memes are so valuable to them and are so often employed
truedelphi
Jun 2014
#304
Yes, ambiguity in all its forms is rejected, it's black-n-white all the way.
bemildred
Jun 2014
#305
Yes, my apologies, I post so quickly that sometimes it takes me a while to see something is unclear
Catherina
Jul 2013
#7
It's mutual, and based solely on rock steady principles. The stuff of lasting relationships
Catherina
Jul 2013
#33
"the first response to an OP" lol! I noticed. They always showup in swarms too
Catherina
Jul 2013
#94
Damn, Catherina! I noticed this, too, but I never thought it would be something so sneaky.
Th1onein
Jul 2013
#219
Sockpuppets "...hijack the thread, distract with a bunch of irrelevant nonsense..."
chimpymustgo
Jul 2013
#120
That is flat out not true. I have seen so many posts favorable to Obama that are then swarmed by
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#215
You are right, there are two sides. The one side refuses to discuss issues but only personalities.
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#229
Jun 22, 2010 -- the date of the HB Gary email. might be interesting to examine
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#8
If investigative journalists were not being surveilled and threatened with felonies,
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#73
Excellent insight: "Propaganda *always* accompanies the rise of authoritarianism."
chimpymustgo
Jul 2013
#36
+1 "the establishment's propaganda... its increasingly intended to deceive."
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#74
"So, I had a Democratic Underground account I started a couple of years ago"
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#55
precisely -- and as of this month, there's no law against Pentagon propagandizing Americans!
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#78
"Kafkaesque anonymous cyber tribunal." So unfair to the infiltrating right-winger. 8(
DirkGently
Jul 2013
#168
The chess metaphor is excellent, particularly about building expendable personas.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#128
I'm glad they post here - gives us a handy resource to examine the larger war propaganda machine.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#24
There are a number of US funded and industry advocacy/PR groups that have a web presence.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#51
The influx is steady, wars or not. And the numbers will keep increasing
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#27
I didn't see your post before. DU moves so fast with important posts buried under royal baby love
Catherina
Jul 2013
#46
Then they disappear for ages only to reappear at the same time to assault and counterrecommend
Catherina
Jul 2013
#30
Before any of us could even imagine such deceptive tactics, we did remark on the similarity of
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#32
totally agree -- i'm pointing to the use of the term by casual users...
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#63
"such software will form a broad programmatic area of military operations" + Smith-Mundt Amendment
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#76
wouldn't it be cheaper for them to just bomb us for real, in a false flag attack?
magical thyme
Jul 2013
#88
these sorts of propaganda programs are exactly what drives cynicism wrt attacks on the US
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#108
Sad, but true. But I would think a few minor restrictions would screen out (most of) the fakes.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#69
Well that's what happens when you're so cheap you won't pay for quality labor
Catherina
Jul 2013
#104
So you're the one that was the subject of an ATA whine! You should know that Skinner himself has
Number23
Jul 2013
#292
At some point the bulk internet surveillance is going to get corrupted
Waiting For Everyman
Jul 2013
#147
I was thinking of ways that they might implement it, but it really does pose some interesting
penultimate
Jul 2013
#165
I don't like wearing socks. Or much of anything else. But my onboard cam is disabled. Lucky you!
freshwest
Jul 2013
#216
Oh, no, that is much better! I did tell you about the cats reporting to Sirius nightly, didn't I?
freshwest
Jul 2013
#231
Not only that, but the theme of this thread is exceptional for getting Skinner himself
Number23
Jul 2013
#293
No doubt they're using this place as both testing ground and theater of deployment
kenny blankenship
Jul 2013
#287
Seems like the sockbot squad got in a platoon of reinforcements since this OP was posted. nt
Zorra
Jul 2013
#288
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Enthusiast
Jun 2014
#302