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Better Believe It

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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:49 PM Feb 2012

Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) charges Obama with "beginning the unraveling of Social Security" [View all]



Sen. Harkin rips Obama for 'unraveling Social Security' with tax cut
By Josiah Ryan
February 16, 2012


The liberal senator was unusually tough in criticizing Obama, who Harkin said would deprive the Social Security fund of roughly $100 billion by extending the two-percentage-point payroll tax cut through the end of 2012. That tax funds the Social Security trust fund.

“I never thought I would have to see the day when a Democratic president of the United States and a Democratic vice president would agree to put Social Security in this kind of jeopardy," exclaimed a visibly agitated Harkin from the Senate floor. "Never did I ever imagine a Democratic president would be the beginning of the unraveling of Social Security.”

He also noted that under the deal worked out by House Republicans and Senate Democrats, the tax cut will not be offset with other spending cuts or tax increases and will add to the deficit.

"I warn my colleagues to consider the long terms ramifications of these actions," said Harkin. "This continues to open the door to further extending the [pay roll] tax cut because we don't have to pay for it."

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/211323-harkin-blasts-obama-for-agreeing-to-unfunded-pay-roll-tax-cut-deal


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Tom Harkin rips 'devil's deal' on payroll tax
By SEUNG MIN KIM
February 16, 2012


Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) unleashed fury at President Barack Obama and fellow Democrats over the deal to extend the payroll tax holiday, ripping the agreement apart as a “devil’s deal.”

“I never thought I would live to see the day when a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president would agree to put Social Security in this kind of jeopardy,” Harkin said on the Senate floor Thursday evening. “Never did I imagine a Democratic president beginning the unraveling of Social Security.”

Harkin, who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, took particular aim at one component: that will slash about $5 billion from the Prevention and Public Health Fund - a program created by the health care law that Harkin has championed.

“I choose my words carefully,” Harkin said. “Make no mistake about it, American people, make no mistake about it. This is the beginning of the end of the sanctity of Social Security.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/02/tom-harkin-rips-devils-deal-on-payroll-tax-114792.html


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Payroll tax cut undermines Social Security's security
If Social Security becomes just another line item in the federal budget, what's to save it from being swept up in an across-the-board orgy of spending reductions?

By Michael Hiltzik
February 19, 2012

.... with every extension of the payroll tax holiday, which was first enacted in 2010, the prospect that Congress will ever restore the tax to its statutory 6.2% of covered income recedes a little bit further over the horizon. And that's bad medicine for Social Security.

.... because of the unique features of the program's financing, tampering with its revenue stream is playing with fire. The payroll tax is currently set at 12.4% of wages, split equally between employer and employee, up to a maximum of $110,100. The tax holiday cuts the employee's 6.2% share to 4.2%.

"Who is ever going to say, 'Now the economy's so strong that it's the right time to raise taxes'?" Andrew G. Biggs, a former Social Security official who is now a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, told me.

Restoring the old payroll tax rate at a single swipe would mean a sudden increase in the levy of nearly 50%, a change that could be painted by political opponents as a cataclysmic tax hike on the working class, never mind that it's a rollback of a temporary break.

Read the full article at:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120219,0,1032274.column
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Thank you Senator Harkin. rurallib Feb 2012 #1
Thanking him for right-wing talking points? TheWraith Feb 2012 #22
So how are we ever going to start fully funding social security again? Yupster Feb 2012 #24
Social Security is fully funded RIGHT NOW. TheWraith Feb 2012 #26
It's now being funded out of general government revenues, nearly 100 billion under the latest deal Better Believe It Feb 2012 #28
Please tell that to the SS Trustees former9thward Feb 2012 #38
Under the bus with Harkin! He pushing right-wing talking points! Thanks for the info! Better Believe It Feb 2012 #29
It's not like the President has a history of MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #2
Everything is on the table. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #4
I agree with Senator Harkin. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #3
Presidents have been using SS trust money all my life and I am 70. nanabugg Feb 2012 #20
I agree with the Senator. Someone in the Senate needed to speak out on this. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #5
The payroll tax cut was a very bad idea from the git-go RC Feb 2012 #6
Harkin is right, sadly. EFerrari Feb 2012 #7
Agree with Senator Harkin on this one. nt TBF Feb 2012 #8
a message from the democratic wing of the democratic party lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #9
Thank you, Senator Harkin! woo me with science Feb 2012 #10
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) for President! AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2012 #11
It was only a matter of time. treestar Feb 2012 #40
I agree a hundred percent. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #12
Harkin is definitely one of the reasons I'm proud to say I'm from Iowa. bullwinkle428 Feb 2012 #13
As I ProSense Feb 2012 #14
You hope! n/t leeroysphitz Feb 2012 #36
The Social Security Trustees disagree with you. former9thward Feb 2012 #37
I don't think you're going to convince this one with facts... progress2k12nbynd Feb 2012 #42
ProSense, I have a sincere question... progress2k12nbynd Feb 2012 #41
How long has it been since a PENNY has fallen through the slot on the top of the SS piggy bank? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #67
I stand with Senator Tom Harkin! bvar22 Feb 2012 #15
Yes, you're 100% correct Bryn Feb 2012 #21
Thank you for making sense, bvar. Kaleko Feb 2012 #66
Obama, marsis Feb 2012 #16
What does that mean? Son of Gob Feb 2012 #18
Only 84 posts. That's your answer. Sarah Palin indeed! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #54
Since you made the effort you might marsis Feb 2012 #70
Good luck with that, but why post on *DEMOCRATIC* Underground? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #71
Like I said marsis Feb 2012 #72
How could someone who worked for Chicago Democrats conflate Obama with Chicago Democrats? ieoeja Feb 2012 #73
Well, it's been all over the tubes marsis Feb 2012 #74
Again, Chicago is the most investigated city in the nation. ieoeja Feb 2012 #75
"With this bill, we can no longer say that Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit" Better Believe It Feb 2012 #17
I'm embarrassed that it's being proposed by a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president Rugnuts Feb 2012 #43
That's right. It's never happened before .... using general tax revenues to fund SS benefits. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #49
The poster got PPRed, most likely for passing off wingnut lies as fact Major Nikon Feb 2012 #55
You should be embarrassed for thinking non-wingnuts will be stupid enough to believe this BS Major Nikon Feb 2012 #57
Oh, Harkin didn't get his pony. progressoid Feb 2012 #19
heheheh. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #32
Never did I imagine a Democratic president would be the beginning the unraveling of Social Security. unkachuck Feb 2012 #23
But Obama has stolen an issue from the Republicans by starting the unraveling! Go team! Karmadillo Feb 2012 #25
LOL. Bonobo Feb 2012 #27
Senator Reid talked Senator Harkin out of a payroll tax filibuster Better Believe It Feb 2012 #30
this was a bad idea from the get go paulk Feb 2012 #31
The repugs are good with it too, not one peep bahrbearian Feb 2012 #33
The ProSense Feb 2012 #34
The Majority of the Repugs voted Yea 146 - 91 NO bahrbearian Feb 2012 #39
The majority of ProSense Feb 2012 #44
If the repugs are in favor of something it can't be good. bahrbearian Feb 2012 #46
Can you spell "collusion" woo me with science Feb 2012 #63
I trust Harkin more than I trust Obama. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #35
HOGWASH! It's the calendar that turned ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #45
"Senator Harkin seems not even to understand what the Trust Fund IS!" and you do. Of course. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #50
This is exactly correct Major Nikon Feb 2012 #58
And another manufactured outrage widget hits the shop room floor!!! JoePhilly Feb 2012 #47
Right. What does Senator Harkin know anyway? Better Believe It Feb 2012 #51
In this case, apparently little. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #52
How many days has it been since the last PENNY fell into the SS piggy bank? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #68
Did any of you Obama haters wonder why Harkin is the only one claiming this? maximusveritas Feb 2012 #48
So why are Senators Harkin, Sanders and other liberals who voted against the bill crazy ..... Better Believe It Feb 2012 #53
At best they are simply grandstanding on a moot point Major Nikon Feb 2012 #56
Under the bus with Senators Sanders and Harkin for being anti-Obama grandstanders! Sure. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #59
If you don't understand these concepts, why not simply say so? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #60
Senator Harkin is the only one saying this???? You need to do some basic research. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #61
So why are you throwing so many progressive democrats "under the bus"??? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #62
23 members of the "Congressional Progressive Caucus" and its only Senate member voted against it. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #64
I told you why they voted against it Major Nikon Feb 2012 #65
+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2012 #69
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