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SCVDem

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114. My country right or wrong

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:47 PM

Jul 2013

has now become, destroy our country by any and all means necessary.

Like the 5 blind men touching different parts of an elephant and coming to different conclusions of what an elephant is, I doubt anyone has all the pieces of our NSA puzzle as some would like us to believe. Looking at you Glenn!

I do know we need better control but then this is a congressional oversight issue and not the Presidents. He doesn't have the authority people believe he has to do so many things, nor the funding. Look at who wants to privatize everything and issue no bid contracts to find the guilty parties.

I have an issue with building a structure that can save all e mail and phone calls. How much useless information is being stored? Think of all the teenagers and their important TMZ calls or family grocery lists. What are we saving this crap for? Even in the pay phone 70s I never considered a phone line secure. How many of you did?

Most of this was probably authorized when the expression, 'it's the bomb' was popular.

For security I can see where key words are scanned but then the rest deleted if it's just a grocery list or other routine junk. Bad guys must communicate somehow.

My question is, why we haven't been able to use this intel to stop the real threats like banking fraud?

Perhaps too many politicians names would pop up.

I want every elected official to be forced to read the Patriot Act. All of it!

There will be a test!

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Glen Greenwald Continues His Lies [View all] frontier00 Jul 2013 OP

He is Limbaugh of the Left! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #1

when did he get a daily national radio show? burnodo Jul 2013 #2

A metaphor does not have to mean exactly the same thing treestar Jul 2013 #43

In 15 years, a LOT of people have been called "The Limbaugh of the Left" burnodo Jul 2013 #45

Fact free baseless smears are my favorites.... think Jul 2013 #27

Apt description Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #91

He's not on "The Left". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #153

It's Glenn with two n's... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #3

Let's see; Glenn has access to actual, genuine data on the NSA programs Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #4

but we cant see it until Glenn publi$he$ his book. DCBob Jul 2013 #8

Do you know any politicians who $ell book$ while campaigning? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #22

Do you know anyone who claims to have incredibly critical world changing information.. DCBob Jul 2013 #26

What do you call Binney, Drake, Wiebe, Ellsberg, Tamm, Edmonds, Tice, think Jul 2013 #30

The files that have been released are no doubt legit. DCBob Jul 2013 #33

Wait. Is your complaint that his book will cost money, or Marr Jul 2013 #42

Why should he ask for money? treestar Jul 2013 #47

I see. So the problem is that the book will cost money, unlike other books. Marr Jul 2013 #50

This information is vital to our freedom I thought? treestar Jul 2013 #59

Oh, c'mon-- you can do better than that. I've heard Sean Hannity use that "argument". Marr Jul 2013 #94

It is Greenwald saying our freedom depends on it treestar Jul 2013 #97

I see. So he says too much, and waits too long to say it. Marr Jul 2013 #102

My biggest complaint is why is he waiting to release the information.. DCBob Jul 2013 #49

Let's say I just concede the point that Glenn Greenwald is a big meany who Marr Jul 2013 #53

Makes you wonder his motives and credibility.. doesnt it?? DCBob Jul 2013 #61

No, not really. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #89

There's elections next year. LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #115

If it truly is so shocking and assuming super important, it is selfish of him to delay Whisp Jul 2013 #73

I think he's waiting for the denial. boston bean Jul 2013 #86

the building in Utah Whisp Jul 2013 #131

I agree there are real threats, but the government collecting it info on lawful boston bean Jul 2013 #133

I can't disagree with what you say. Whisp Jul 2013 #138

Ok, he's a selfish meany. And that makes the information presented untrue... how? /nt Marr Jul 2013 #101

That's pretty much everyone. Writers write for a living. What do you do? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #129

Yup, it'll co$t you $ome buck$ unle$$ you want to mi$$ out on hi$ ver$ion of the $tory. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #79

How does it get "picked up" if they are not collecting or storing the information? kentuck Jul 2013 #5

Exactly cannondale Jul 2013 #88

Not my skill area, but it doesn't seem like a difficult technical challenge. MH1 Jul 2013 #157

The key words are "on citizens." arely staircase Jul 2013 #170

what do they have, and what puts you Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #6

How the fuck would YOU know? 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

WTF? n/t RKP5637 Jul 2013 #9

What is the difference between "NSA storing" that data and "goes in a database"? leveymg Jul 2013 #10

here - I'll answer it for you... corkhead Jul 2013 #17

You say "it goes into a database." That's the same thing Greenwald says. morningfog Jul 2013 #11

No frontier00 Jul 2013 #15

So, you think metadata is all that NSA intercepts and stores? leveymg Jul 2013 #25

it's what they want badly to believe. KG Jul 2013 #32

As the posters above say, how the fuck would YOU know? treestar Jul 2013 #44

Not speculating at all. It's based in public documents and from court cases/FOIA/as well as leaks leveymg Jul 2013 #51

You are speculating that they abuse this law treestar Jul 2013 #58

They're not even using it to track down missing children or bust sex slave traffickers. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #62

No, if it worked, there would be far less criticism. leveymg Jul 2013 #72

You know you are right, that is not even considered at all treestar Jul 2013 #77

It is like our vice Prez said Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #159

Or maybe sometimes it could lead to something about Al Qaeda treestar Jul 2013 #164

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to McCarthyism, v. 2.0 -- Taking slurs to a whole HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #162

No, this is not speculation. I'm pointing out how the system describes it own operation. leveymg Jul 2013 #69

It sounds to me like he's acknowledging that call content is stored, but since it's not Marr Jul 2013 #48

Props for 'Schrodinger's Call' - an awesome and appropriate metaphor, even if HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #163

Its a dodge bobduca Jul 2013 #166

frontier00, are you the NSA? bluetexas Jul 2013 #96

OH MY GAWD!!! hootinholler Jul 2013 #12

Point frontier00 Jul 2013 #13

Takes one to know one corkhead Jul 2013 #14

Thank you. You've changed my mind on this subject. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #16

Phew, I'm so glad they came forward with their cardinal knowledge thereby RKP5637 Jul 2013 #20

R#4 & K for, I guess it's more important to know his name has 2 'n'(s) than his facts are correct nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #18

GG is either terribly misinformed or he like misinforming those who believe in him. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #19

What is he misinformed about? He says the NSA has trillions of calls and e-mails in their database. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #137

Have you really listened when phone call records are being collected. They are talking about the Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #143

No, no, NO. The NSA has actual recordings--but NOT of U.S. citizens. They RECORD calls Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #145

Recording of a call is obtained through wiretapping. This is completely different from phone call Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #21

I just watched that, Scarey, you would think we would have learned something. Thanks n/t bahrbearian Jul 2013 #34

Thank you mother earth. I think we all want to know what snappyturtle Jul 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #38

William Binney, 30 yr. NSA employee..is the mathematician and code breaker that created the system.. nenagh Jul 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #39

I can't thank you enough for posting the Binney videos. Invaluable to our understanding. nenagh Jul 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #134

hilarious. KG Jul 2013 #23

Speaking of dirtbags... Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #24

We may as call this "#5 Sunday." PSPS Jul 2013 #28

+10000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #31

A list? treestar Jul 2013 #46

LOL MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #83

Database = no collection?? boston bean Jul 2013 #29

See mother earth's link up thread.... snappyturtle Jul 2013 #37

He needs to stir it up treestar Jul 2013 #40

Pot meet Kettle. U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #168

Glen has an agenda. He will bend anything to serve its purpose. The truth matters little to him. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #41

You don't know what a database is. Bradical79 Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Bradical79 Jul 2013 #56

The Character Assassination Continues - First Snowden - Now Greenwald cantbeserious Jul 2013 #54

If they can't take the heat, why did they go into the kitchen? treestar Jul 2013 #63

NonSensical Reply - An Individuals Response To Attack Is Independent Of The Attack cantbeserious Jul 2013 #64

Obama, Reid, Pelosi get attacked here all the time treestar Jul 2013 #76

I See - Continuing To Justify The Character Assassination Versus Focusing On The Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #81

Obama Reid Pelosi, and most of Obama's nominees get the same thing treestar Jul 2013 #93

Missed The Point Again - Character Assassination Is Not The Same As The Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #95

So have you treestar Jul 2013 #100

One Supposes That One Never Took A Debating Class - Character Assassination Is Not Allowed cantbeserious Jul 2013 #103

Why does that not apply to Obama, Reid and Pelosi? treestar Jul 2013 #126

Once Again - No Comprehension Of The Underlying Information Nor Understanding Of Character Assassination cantbeserious Jul 2013 #128

"isn't storing....goes in a database..." DID YOU READ YOUR OWN WORDS? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55

^^^ This ^^^ Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2013 #68

I don't remember voting for Greenwald to AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #57

I don't remember voting to be spied on Generic Other Jul 2013 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #66

+1 and yet there are complaints that he is criticized! treestar Jul 2013 #78

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #109

Nice two minutes hate. villager Jul 2013 #60

Goebbels would be proud Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #67

Might I suggest janlyn Jul 2013 #70

You mean marions ghost Jul 2013 #74

Yes, that's what I meant!!! janlyn Jul 2013 #116

This: Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #71

that puppet is kinda dirty! nt grasswire Jul 2013 #90

Oooops..you beat me to it! RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #99

NSA spying is SECRET, so how can you purport to KNOW NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #80

Without Detailed Facts - The Only Thing To Attack Is The Messenger cantbeserious Jul 2013 #82

How can Greenwald purport to know? randome Jul 2013 #98

Greenwald is a Journalist with access to information and connections that average citizens NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #105

Until Greenwald provides evidence, it's only his 'gut feeling', too. randome Jul 2013 #119

13 people shamefully recced this idiotic thread? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #84

Cut and paste the list...collect 'em all! wtmusic Jul 2013 #108

worst OP of the ...(name the time period). NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #85

They are in a DB = they are stored cannondale Jul 2013 #87

(HB)Gary? Is that you? RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #92

. wtmusic Jul 2013 #104

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2013 #106

Hey, you're not allowed to doubt. shenmue Jul 2013 #107

This OP is the real loser... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #110

Clapper has spoken !!!! Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #111

+1000 SoapBox Jul 2013 #112

I don't normally do this but after reading this entire thread there is only one appropriate response Fumesucker Jul 2013 #113

My country right or wrong SCVDem Jul 2013 #114

"Picked up" from where, frontier00? Iggo Jul 2013 #117

Greenwald was on CNN with Morgan Spurlock yesterday claiming flamingdem Jul 2013 #118

"shyster" has a rather discriminatory tone to it, boston bean Jul 2013 #123

Your comment is ridiculous, that term is in common use flamingdem Jul 2013 #124

No outrage. Just pointing it out. boston bean Jul 2013 #130

Did you even look up the word? It's from MIDDLE GERMAN nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #132

Yeah, I looked it up and have heard it used derogatorily in reference to Jewish people. boston bean Jul 2013 #135

You are shameful really, and I never bother getting angry with people on DU flamingdem Jul 2013 #139

I told you, you were using a word that has been used as a Jewish slur, toward a Jewish person. boston bean Jul 2013 #140

BULLSHIT U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #169

You're inventing meanings that are not there. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #146

So say you. I can pull up links that say otherwise. boston bean Jul 2013 #147

You did not even read the link. You do not care about learning or about the truth. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #148

I'm not the only person in the world who thinks this. boston bean Jul 2013 #150

I looked. I can't find one that's credible. And I know you are wrong on this. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #151

ok, you can close the discussion and determine what "links" you think are credible. boston bean Jul 2013 #152

The meaning of shyster may not have started out as an Anti-Semitic slur but... unapatriciated Jul 2013 #161

He has a forthcoming book to sell. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #120

Is frontier00 a social media persona? Bragi Jul 2013 #121

Which part of our Surveillance State . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #122

Where is the evidence they are doing anything illegal? randome Jul 2013 #125

I would tell you . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #127

They are monitoring foreign communications. randome Jul 2013 #141

They have already admitted they are doing more than you suggest. another_liberal Jul 2013 #158

Where does he say "of citizens"???? Please point that out. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #136

Makes you wonder why Glenn thought fit to mention it then, huh? randome Jul 2013 #142

Glenn Greenwald is a big ole meanie!!! QC Jul 2013 #144

Yeeah! MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #160

greenwald loves Teabaggers sigmasix Jul 2013 #149

Of course he's lying. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Federosky Jul 2013 #155

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #165

Rec'cing for the huge pile of stupid that is this thread. bobduca Jul 2013 #167