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randome

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59. All of this is still very vague on details.

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:41 PM

Jul 2013

Is any of this monitoring done with legal warrants? Why wouldn't the Washington Post think to include this information? Maybe because they don't know? Then why wouldn't they at least say that? Seems to me like that would be a fuller story than leaving that part completely uncovered.

Facebook and Skype are all public social media. Is the NSA tunneling through these companies' protections and getting at private data? No one says they are but there are plenty of unsaid implications that this is happening.

I don't like unsaid implications. I prefer to look at hard evidence.

And, again, 'watching your ideas form as you type'? Is this done with legal warrants? Funny again that Snowden didn't think to address this. He just leaves that implication hanging in the air.

Much like Greenwald's MO.

I have no problem stopping aspects of the NSA but it should be done with the basic idea of getting evidence and evaluating it first.
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Glenn Greenwald: Low-Level NSA Analysts Have ‘Powerful and Invasive’ Search Tool (ABC This Week) [View all] chimpymustgo Jul 2013 OP

important stuff. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #1

They do it during the 72 hours FISA allows NSA to acquire evidence for a warrant. leveymg Jul 2013 #2

damn -- thanks for the explanation! nashville_brook Jul 2013 #8

Thanks leveymg nenagh Jul 2013 #25

As I posted in the other thread... randome Jul 2013 #26

Has it occurred to you that the system is set up with some controls on private use of leveymg Jul 2013 #35

Any monitoring done with legal warrants will always be 'intrusive'. randome Jul 2013 #41

The pre-warrant profiling can be equally intrusive, if it involves real-time monitoring leveymg Jul 2013 #48

The 51% figure pertains to whether or not an individual is foreign or not. randome Jul 2013 #56

It's the same thing - 51% that the person can be targeted as foreign, with the leveymg Jul 2013 #64

leveymg questionseverything Jul 2013 #81

I think it's really a rhetorical point being raised because the debunkers have been debunked leveymg Jul 2013 #82

agree with this totally questionseverything Jul 2013 #83

I want to thank you and randome for an excellent jazzimov Jul 2013 #89

Where are the legal warrants for tens of millions of American citizens? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #88

Thank You For Sharing Hard Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #32

thank you leveymg for your scrupulous research, grasswire Jul 2013 #40

Have you emailed that to Greenwald? If not, you should. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #42

Thanks! Great post! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #71

Greewald is jerk...He thinks he is saving us... but the exact opposite is true Tippy Jul 2013 #3

Very informative comment. Thank you for your contribution. Not. leveymg Jul 2013 #4

Lots of people following ... nonsense n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #20

Sarcasm or conjecture? think Jul 2013 #6

You really should listen and read and understand what he is trying to tell you about your government chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #7

I don't need glynn are comrad eddy to tell me anything stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #39

ESL or teabagese? frylock Jul 2013 #54

Thank you for the great op. I see the thread drew the denier gang Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76

No, he's a big Meanie-poo fascisthunter Jul 2013 #16

Nonsense. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #19

hilarious. KG Jul 2013 #24

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #37

I wonder how much blackmail has been carried out by this. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #5

perhaps this explains why wall street bankers haven't been charged with crimes nashville_brook Jul 2013 #9

Maybe because the NSA has 4 levels of approval needed before looking at the data. randome Jul 2013 #10

Sure, maybe the NSA does. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #50

Neither do Snowden nor Greenwald's claims. randome Jul 2013 #60

The FBI has been hammered already for misusing their powers. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #63

We are ALL in favor of that! randome Jul 2013 #67

The whole private contractor CIA NSA FBI entanglement is a can of worms think Jul 2013 #12

Given All The Government Lies - There Is Every Reason To Believe This True And No Reason Not To Believe cantbeserious Jul 2013 #11

In the hands of authoritarians and corporate profiteers: woo me with science Jul 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #15

I would be shocked if this weren't true. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #14

I defy Greenwald to prove it. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #17

I defy our GOVERNMENT to tell us the TRUTH. Minimum standard democracy. nt chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #22

Why don't you send him an email. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #72

Funny thing that Snowden wasn't able to get this type of access. randome Jul 2013 #18

What are you talking about, now? Snowden said he watched people composing their on-line coms leveymg Jul 2013 #28

When did he say that? I thought he said the NSA was capable of doing that. randome Jul 2013 #31

One of the slides references "real-time" surveillance, and the WaPo report on what Snowden said: leveymg Jul 2013 #46

All of this is still very vague on details. randome Jul 2013 #59

It's not vague to the Democrats in Congress who have been trying to warn us for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #65

We are ALL on board with more transparency and less secrecy. randome Jul 2013 #66

We have the evidence, I know I have been spied on by Verizon on behalf of the government sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #70

Can you tell us about that experience? It may be more common than most think. leveymg Jul 2013 #74

We called last week to cancel our Verizon cell phone service. I told them why, the agent on sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #78

I'm under the impression that all the major carriers have identical agreements with NSA. leveymg Jul 2013 #80

Yes, I know that. We have had a Virgin Mobile cell phone, much better than Verizon sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #85

One can only address what's been publicly reported. I share your frustration, leveymg Jul 2013 #68

How do you know? morningfog Jul 2013 #51

Because he did not provide any. randome Jul 2013 #55

Our government has been corrupted by liars, cheats and evil douchbags Generic Other Jul 2013 #21

Without evidence, neither --which means Progressive dog Jul 2013 #23

OMG! The NSA has TOOLS! And they USE them! randome Jul 2013 #27

You still haven't responded to my message to you about the 72-hour window for NSA to gather evidence leveymg Jul 2013 #29

I think the loophole is there for a reason. randome Jul 2013 #34

Binney says there's an automated profiling system that red-flags calls for human leveymg Jul 2013 #38

I would bet that contractors cannot be analysts. And I hope that's the case. randome Jul 2013 #43

Officers and contractors all have the same TS/SCI clearances. They do the same work as analysts leveymg Jul 2013 #47

I don't know, I'm going to have see a link about that. randome Jul 2013 #53

There have been several articles that look at job descriptions for contractors that require PRISM leveymg Jul 2013 #58

PRISM is not used for domestic targets, only foreign ones. randome Jul 2013 #62

It's all part of the same set of interlinked databases. leveymg Jul 2013 #69

Thanks for adding more info. Why won't our govt TELL US how it is spying on us? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #44

And cops have guns that could kill a whole lot of people...if they wanted to. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30

We need new laws. This 'data mining' issue came up during the Bush years, there was sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33

All this means NOTHING railsback Jul 2013 #36

really? wtf?? can you link me something? Whisp Jul 2013 #93

I don't need Glenn are comrad eddy to tell me anything. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #45

You finally got the spelling correctly: "Glenn and not Glynn" as you had in KoKo Jul 2013 #57

78 IQ stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #84

Maybe Glenn could help you with some basic reading comprehension and spelling. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #86

Greenwald is using language like a lawyer, later he can sleaze out of what he said flamingdem Jul 2013 #49

The thing about Greenwald is that he, personally, knows nothing MineralMan Jul 2013 #52

Snowden knows a lot more about the NSA and CIA than what was on those slides. leveymg Jul 2013 #73

Your comment about Snowden goes against all the information that has been posted about his access.nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #75

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #61

You cannot privatize national security malaise Jul 2013 #77

“Capitalism is the belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives" will pillage chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #79

Saxby Chambliss is vile. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #87

"I have been assured... stopped 2 or 3 years ago.. may have been some abuse... pure accidental" Catherina Jul 2013 #94

I feel so much better now. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #95

Video and excerpt of story about NSA employees sniggering over US soldiers pillow talk and sex chats Catherina Jul 2013 #90

Thanks for posting. Perhaps the dunderheads will wake up a realize the truth. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #92

Greenwald's evidence for his latest claim is a 2008 report. ProSense Jul 2013 #91

I now trashcan any thread with Glenn Grenwald in it. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #96

Of course they do - collecting data is easy. Dash87 Jul 2013 #97

Congress needs to look into this GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #98