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Ichingcarpenter

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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:44 PM Jul 2013

Chomsky praises Snowden and condemns US hypocrisy [View all]

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Typically eloquent Noam Chomsky, speaking this weekend at the Geneva Press Club:







My own opinion is that Snowden should be honored. He was doing what every citizen ought to do, telling. [Applause] He was telling Americans what the government was doing. That’s what’s supposed to happen.

Governments as I mentioned before always plead security no matter what’s going on. The reflexive defense is security. But anyone who’s looked at– first of all, you take a look at what he exposed. At least anything that’s been published, it’s not any kind of threat to security, with one exception, the security of the government from its own population. And in fact if you look at anyone who’s spent any time poring through declassified records– I have, I’m sure many of you have– you find that overwhelmingly the security is the security of the state from its own population and that’s why things have to be kept secret.

There are some cases where there’s authentic security concerns. But they’re pretty limited.

The plea of the US government in this case for the surveillance and so on, is that it’s security against terror. But at the very same moment the US policy is designed in a way to increase terror. The US itself is carrying out the most awesome international terrorist campaign, ever, I suppose– the drones and special forces campaign. That’s a major terrorist campaign, all over the world, and it’s also generating terrorists. You can read that and hear that from the highest sources, General McChrystal and scholars and all, so on.

Of course the drone campaign is creating potential terrorists, and you can easily understand why. I mean, if you were walking through the streets of Geneva and you don’t know whether five minutes from now there’s going to be an explosion across the street that’s run a couple thousand of miles away and it will blow away some people and who ever else happens to be around– you’re terrorized. And you don’t like it. And you may decide to react. That’s happening all over the regions that are subjected to the Obama terror campaign.

So you can’t seriously on the one hand be not only carrying out massive terror but even generating potential terrorists against yourself and claim that we have to have massive surveillance to protect ourselves against terror. That’s a joke. It should be headlines.

Then comes the interesting question of extradition. The US has just announced again that they’re going to punish anybody who refuses to extradite Snowden.

At the same time the US is one of the leaers in refusing extradition. Bolivia is an interesting case. The US has imposed pressure at least… to try to block the Bolivian plane because they want Snowden extradited. For years Bolivia has been trying to extradite from the United States the former president who’s already indicted in Bolivia for all sorts of crimes. The US refuses to extradite him.

In fact it’s happening right in Europe. Italy has been trying to extradite 22 CIA agents who were involved and in fact indicted for participating in a kidnaping in Milan. They kidnaped somebody, sent him off I think to Egypt to be tortured. And agreed later he was innnocent…

Extradite the people involved, the US of course refuses. And there’s case after case like this… There are a lot of cases where the U.S. just refuses…

In fact one of the most striking cases is Latin America, again, not just Bolivia. One of the world’s leading terrorists is Luis Posada, who was involved in blowing up a Cubana airliner which killed 73 people and lots of other terrorist acts. He’s sitting happily in… Miami, and his colleague Rolando Bosch also a major terrorist… is happily there… Cuba and Venezuela are trying to extradite them. But you know. Fat chance.

So for the U.S. to be calling for others to extradite Snowden is let’s say a little ironic.



http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/chomsky-says-snowden-should-be-honored-for-telling-americans-what-the-government-was-doing.html



video added..... BTW he looks healthy


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I fucking LOVE this man! FirstLight Jul 2013 #1
Notice... Swiss news Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #2
The NSA apologists will surely have no trouble throwing Chomsky under the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #3
Chomsky has been under the bus Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #4
Just wait until he passes. Rethugs will try to bury him like Indiana governor did for Howard Zinn! cascadiance Jul 2013 #5
Absolutely. He upsets their denial bubbles. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #6
Oh, didn't you know, he's a racist teabagger! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #12
kick nt Federosky Jul 2013 #7
Chomsky continues to be an inspiration, and a very acute observer. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #8
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #9
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #10
Every American needs to read and understand what Chomsky is saying here: cpwm17 Jul 2013 #11
Mission Creep and bigger budgets Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #13
Chomsky knows the deal. The fools will be here soon to denounce him. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #14
Could these budgets of the MIC/DEA/ NSA complex etc effect poverty in the US Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #15
Congress is a charade. We have enough money to allow everyone to have free, quality health chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #17
I think they're scared to take him on here. reformist2 Jul 2013 #19
Perfectly said by Chomsky. No wonder he went under the bus so quickly. He tells the truth sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32
K&R!! felix_numinous Jul 2013 #16
Interesting how the anti-Snowden crowd here dare not challenge the Chomsky! reformist2 Jul 2013 #18
I'm surprised. They're not completely stupid. Or the boss called them off. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #21
They're all having birthday cake with the Prez right now, don'tcha know? Efilroft Sul Jul 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #20
K&R! KoKo Jul 2013 #23
The man has been a spot-on genius -- EVERY time I've heard him speak. MiddleFingerMom Jul 2013 #24
Look how the anti-Snowden crowd attacks Eugene Robinson, but not the Chomsky! reformist2 Jul 2013 #25
snowden is nothing but a traitor Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #26
Snowden is the kind of traitor you and your kind can only dream of being. - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #29
what a ridiculous post Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #34
Great Jeff Foxworthy Impression HangOnKids Jul 2013 #37
EXACTLY!! The price of freedom is a strong state with a strong surveillance apparatus. Only traitors Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #38
lol A+ for sarcasm F- for substance. Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #40
oh absolutely!! If Snowden hadn't come forward there wouldn't be all this nonsense and carry on now Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #41
once he is in their grasp hw has no choice Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #43
all we know for 100% certain is that the Congress, the media and the public would not be talking Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #45
one fact doesnt nullify another Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #46
we know for certain that he provoked a discussion that we would not be having now Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #47
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #48
I've asked this question so many times, but have yet to receive an answer. You referred to some sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33
dude, in every poll taken majorities agree snowden is a criminal Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #36
You haven't answered my question. Do you have something to back up the claim made re sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39
then you arent to be taken seriously Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #42
And we have people locked up for smoking pot, for years. You seem a bit sensitive about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44
Got to love Chomsky, but that could go further. joshcryer Jul 2013 #27
He's still going after all these years GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #28
Well yeah, sure, but everyone knows that he's just an Obama hating plant paid by the Kochs Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #30
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #31
what do you expect from a right-wing Republican shill like Chomsky? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35
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