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riqster

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23. Not so.

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:50 PM

Jul 2013

Yes, the Dems are waaaaay too far Right for my taste, but they are NOT equivalent to the Repubs. Just look at what the Repubs in the House push and compare it to what the Dems in the Senate have managed to push past the Reeps there. VERY different.

For that matter, compare what the House did under Obama and a Dem majority with what they have done since some on the Left sat out the 2010 midterms.

And compare states that the Left allowed to turn 100% Red with what they did when Dems had at least some leverage. Ohio is a great example:
Our State Dem party sucks big hairy donkey dicks. In the last election, they and the Left fucked up like nobody's business. And we have , thanks to 8 fucking lazy Dems who did not vote, a 100% Reep government who are taking away women's rights, worker's rights, children's rights, in a way and to a degree that did not happen when Dems had at least some leverage.

Both parties are NOT pushing the same agenda.

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When a Centrist Independent is a more reliable vote for Democrats than, well, some Democrats... [View all] riqster Jul 2013 OP

Vote Democratic or shut up and get out of the way! AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #1

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #2

I have done that for decades. "Always vote for principle." RC Jul 2013 #7

Such a reflection is better than health care or a social safety net treestar Jul 2013 #10

Is it your principle to support wars? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #52

It is good to have a moral compass. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #95

Said the guy who was rich. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

And that sweet reflection is such a comfort to those riqster Jul 2013 #25

Is it your principles to vote for those who condemn children to starve, and suffer? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #54

If one casts a vote (or fails to cast a vote) riqster Jul 2013 #67

I don't support the "principles" you mentioned. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #69

I hope you never have to live in a state that is 100% Red. riqster Jul 2013 #72

No I didn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #73

Your single vote always matters. riqster Jul 2013 #78

That's my rule, anyway. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #53

I disagree with the premise in your first paragraph. cyberswede Jul 2013 #3

That is all that matters. riqster Jul 2013 #12

Stop blaming voters leftstreet Jul 2013 #4

After his mandate in 2009, Obama had the Republicans on the mat for the final 10-count HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #8

It started with Obama's silly healthcare 'town halls' leftstreet Jul 2013 #9

On the contrary, riqster Jul 2013 #13

Problem is when we do elect them... SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #20

Not in my mind. riqster Jul 2013 #33

I am a moderate democrat is a deep blue state. I often get out voted in primaries by bluestate10 Jul 2013 #50

Your post makes me less likely to vote Bradical79 Jul 2013 #5

If you sit it out, you are helping Republicans. riqster Jul 2013 #14

If you continue to give cover to Broward Jul 2013 #22

Look at Ohio to see why you are wrong. riqster Jul 2013 #28

I smell bullshit. Look at any state that went from DINO to republican and tell me there is bluestate10 Jul 2013 #48

Exactly. Idaho lost its DINO Representative in Congress when he was replaced by a flamethrowing . . Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #63

It is EXACTLY posts like this burnodo Jul 2013 #71

If it is partisan to want to keep Republicans from fucking the nation to death, riqster Jul 2013 #77

Christ almighty,anyone who would sit out an sufrommich Jul 2013 #38

Yeah, that is beyond a "fair-weather" Dem. riqster Jul 2013 #45

Given the stakes of the 2014 election, that is fucking crazy. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #47

Oh yeah. Thence the OP. riqster Jul 2013 #59

Not going to shut up mick063 Jul 2013 #6

To be fair they only pretend half as crap, the reality of the offerings is much less than half TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #11

Whose party? riqster Jul 2013 #15

The GOP fear is wearing off mick063 Jul 2013 #24

Not in Ohio, it isn't. We are in Hell. riqster Jul 2013 #27

A couple of years of adversity mick063 Jul 2013 #29

I am not sure. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #34

That's not how our history has gone, regrettably. riqster Jul 2013 #35

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #46

Well, it's tough to stomp out the Broward Jul 2013 #16

Not so. riqster Jul 2013 #23

Bullshit!!! If you think is isn't, go live in Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina, Georgia. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #30

You don't want Asbestos Y-Front. Mr. David Jul 2013 #17

Clearly better, thanks! nt riqster Jul 2013 #18

Is it your impression that there are a lot of these Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #19

It took 300 people sitting it out in Florida to allow Bush to steal the WH. riqster Jul 2013 #37

And with that claim Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #49

Neither are "claims". riqster Jul 2013 #60

The so-called "true" democrats and third party type here on DU disgusts me. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #26

Agree ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #65

You know, Senator Amy Klobuchar won reelection by being so inoffensive and useless Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #83

Reversal of what democracy actually is. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #31

No, we are not here to serve the politicos. riqster Jul 2013 #39

When a Centrist Independent is a more reliable vote for Democrats than, well, some Democrats... NuclearDem Jul 2013 #32

And that makes it OK to throw elections to the Reeps? riqster Jul 2013 #43

That's no excuse. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #44

"Principles"? riqster Jul 2013 #58

My point exactly. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #64

And the voters who don't vote Dem, help elect Repubs. riqster Jul 2013 #68

Yes, they're responsible for how they vote, but what are the choices? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #70

I agree in all particulars. riqster Jul 2013 #74

Unfortunately, what the Dem establishment takes away from its losses is Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #82

And that brings me to another point NuclearDem Jul 2013 #85

+1000. Every time we go further right, we sacrifice voters and our party identity. winter is coming Jul 2013 #107

I'm A Life Long Democrat & One Who Votes ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #36

Crist was not running as a Repub IIRC riqster Jul 2013 #40

I Know, But He Was Elected As A Republican Governor ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #51

I see what you mean. riqster Jul 2013 #61

Probably "a centrist, independent" is closer to having their policy aims represented TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #41

This is one kick ass post The Kentuckian mick063 Jul 2013 #75

Thank you for taking the time TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #99

These days, being a Centrist isn't what you describe. riqster Jul 2013 #86

Nah, it is as described. Every "Centrist" politician is a corporate stooge asshole. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #101

ALL politicians are corporate stooge assholes, regardless of label. riqster Jul 2013 #103

I'll grant you the first point but will add the self described "centrist" are more brazen and proud TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #128

Awesome post! In multiple ways! :) wavesofeuphoria Aug 2013 #120

Here be the rub. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #42

The loyalty drumbeat seems to be starting a little early. LWolf Jul 2013 #56

Lose what? riqster Jul 2013 #79

I notice all you mention are the bad things. riqster Jul 2013 #87

To the Contrary Savannahmann Jul 2013 #88

So, you'll let the Republicans win? riqster Jul 2013 #89

I am continuing the call I've made since I first came here. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #90

Should is a useless concept in reality. riqster Jul 2013 #91

Then you are left with the lesser of two evils. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #92

Better that than to cede the field to the greater evil. riqster Jul 2013 #93

Then you truly do not understand what is going on. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #94

I understand that you think there is an inevitable outcome. riqster Jul 2013 #96

My father used to ask me a question from time to time. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #100

Yes, the Centrists do not understand or care that Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #97

As Job said to the Lord -so say I to the Party,"Though you slay me yet shall I serve you."-Job 13:15 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #55

If you are a registered Democrat, you are by definition a Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #57

Last midterm the Independents and Youth vote stayed home AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #62

Likely, the youth will stay home again Savannahmann Jul 2013 #66

The youth who supported Obama in 2008 wanted REAL change, not Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #98

fuck centrists. more nafta, tpp is all that says to me. nt xchrom Jul 2013 #76

Bush couldn't have done half the stuff he did without Dem votes Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #80

BOOM! .... And small pieces of the OPs argument fall slowly back into the water n/t Fumesucker Jul 2013 #84

I did not say we should settle. I said we must show up. riqster Jul 2013 #106

Excellent post!!! wavesofeuphoria Aug 2013 #122

May I ask what your philosophical reasons are for not registering as a Democrat? Autumn Jul 2013 #81

My objections to party membership may be found in Washington's Farewell speech. riqster Jul 2013 #104

Who says Independent voters are "centrists"? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #102

I certainly didn't say that all Independents are Centrists. riqster Jul 2013 #105

I've voted democratic my entire life because I chose to whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #108

If you think DINOs and Repubs are the same, riqster Aug 2013 #109

I will not pay the ransom mick063 Aug 2013 #110

That was Nader's thesis in 2000. riqster Aug 2013 #111

so start learning mick063 Aug 2013 #112

I will vote against the Repubs. Because I have much to lose if they win. riqster Aug 2013 #114

I don't want to pay your ransom anymore mick063 Aug 2013 #115

So you are helping Repubs. Regardless of reason, you are out to hurt the Dems. riqster Aug 2013 #116

Our priorities are different. mick063 Aug 2013 #117

My priorities are women's rights, child welfare, and other vital matters. riqster Aug 2013 #118

Nothiing gets resolved until the goverment coffers are filled to resolve them. mick063 Aug 2013 #119

We tried it your way, too. In 2000. riqster Aug 2013 #123

I recall. Clinton's protege was offered up. mick063 Aug 2013 #124

Look in a mirror. riqster Aug 2013 #127

One of my complaints about Centrist politics is that lacking solid positions to advocate they Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #126

I think it is funny when individuals.... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #113

So you don't do any of the hard work it takes to run a Party, you just vote and preach at those Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #121

Maybe the question to be asked is why the candidates TBF Aug 2013 #125