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jtuck004

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63. Funny, I agree with you. Sort of. He might have to be a dictator now. But it didn't
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:11 PM
Jul 2013

have to come to this.

He made his choice to protect the wealthy from the people, instead of the people from the wealthy, at the beginning of his first administration, starting off by telling the bankers that "I am the only one between you and the pitchforks".

Had Obama's speech been to the people, that it was clear there needed to be an investigation, that he was staffing the FBI just like it was when they put the S&L crooks in jail, that he was directing resources into finding out what we needed to do to bring us into the next century instead of dying from the effects of the past one, we might have gone down a different path. Could have told us that because of their actions, these people who donated heavily to the D party, that things might get harder for awhile, that it might be scary, but that supporting criminals is not only un-American but unwise, and will lead us to an even worse disaster. (That, for many, is proving to be the case today). It's not like there wasn't a trainload of sensible, experience, reliable and knowledgeable people calling for him to do that. He chose to listen to others.

There were even models, FDR being one. He was no dictator, but made far different choices, with a different result.

One can argue that we needed to do that to "save" ourselves, but I question that, given that most people are not being saved, and are in a worse position than they might have been had we let the wealthy lose their ill-gotten gains and start from a lower position. The wealthy would be worse off, but they aren't the most important part of our economy, if today is any indication. By any objective measure life is becoming worse for too many Americans, something they are ill-prepared to deal with.

When he took office there were a million families a year being yanked out of their homes in foreclosures, businesses closing...he had plenty of people that would have stood with him, had he chosen to exploit it. And having been part of what I consider a noble profession, a community organizer, he certainly had the knowledge to do so. Hell, he had the podium and the ticket that gives community organizers wet dreams.

But he made different choices. (I personally think it's because he, or the people he listened to, didn't believe in "we the people", trust them, like one would need to be able to in order to take on such a challenge. Or maybe he just wasn't up to the task. Or perhaps the Reagan disaster scared populists too much after Carter, rightly, told everyone we needed to grow up and be responsible. But that's water under the bridge now, eh?)

So, today, finally, you are correct, especially if one leaves out the historical context. Which is perhaps good for one's ego, but millions of kids are still going to bed without food, parents without jobs and self-respect, and it didn't have to be this way.

But, you wanna see something really scary? (I borrowed that line from a movie. )

Even the person with a good secure job today has to worry about the 200 people down the street in the neighborhood that don't have one, realizing that the continuation of that job is probably dependant on those neighbors getting better. They aren't. We are sliding toward a cliff.

In a similar vein, as this continues, and as bad as the Republithugs are, more and more disaffected people, people whose conditions ARE getting worse and more tenuous are created. But they are not like the groups that were always afflicted with or threatened by poverty, who really don't vote in great numbers.

These people are used to voting. And people who think conditions are getting worse are far more likely to vote for a change than they are to continue with the party in power.

So while you may be right, I am not sure how much comfort there is in it.

See you on the other side...

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K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #1
Sad, but true Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #2
So what ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #3
Well, we're clearly a police state... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #6
Funny how that works though. zeemike Jul 2013 #8
+1 Phlem Jul 2013 #12
GOP majorities. How hard is that to comprehend Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #14
And yet the GOP minority rules the senate. zeemike Jul 2013 #16
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #19
When it came to the war machine, the Repubs were never in the minority Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #21
I select ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #27
The Dems had the majority up until 2002 in the Senate fujiyama Jul 2013 #22
We know how Bush did it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #26
Well I suggest to you that they do zeemike Jul 2013 #32
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #36
Well there is only one way to deal with that zeemike Jul 2013 #39
I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #66
point number 2 arely staircase Jul 2013 #77
my point exactly. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #79
He also got his pals in the mideast to fly airliners into our tallest buildings KansDem Jul 2013 #29
Maybe that's because Democrats in the bush years EC Jul 2013 #42
Ask Bush how he did it? Maybe he already did. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #59
yeah there's this thing about not becoming your enemy or something pasto76 Jul 2013 #60
I don't think Phlem Jul 2013 #15
I heaven05 Jul 2013 #52
Im your neighbor in that community pasto76 Jul 2013 #61
Police states are more sophisticated sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #65
Yeah, I thought the bully pulpit was the solution? treestar Jul 2013 #46
How long a list would convince you? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #53
I would settle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #69
Only one? Get guarantees and demand specific performance from the TBTF investment houses Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #82
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #85
Well you only asked for one, so we're already there. Now, to the crux of this biscuit. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #86
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #87
Yes, and I along with a whole lot of people with two things in common agree. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #88
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #90
You have a degree in economics but never heard anything about the consequences Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #96
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #97
Funny, I agree with you. Sort of. He might have to be a dictator now. But it didn't jtuck004 Jul 2013 #63
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #70
I think such a viewpoint ignores the documented reality of tens of millions of jtuck004 Jul 2013 #71
Ignores what? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #72
Good one. LOL. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #73
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #74
Sometimes people can appear deliberately obtuse. I guess that's their angle. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #75
And other times ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #78
My other post pointed to an article that said people are worse off. It spent the whole day on the jtuck004 Jul 2013 #80
So, let me see if I have this correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #84
You're a smart fella, and I am guessing your clicky-finger isn't broken. I jtuck004 Jul 2013 #89
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K&R midnight Jul 2013 #4
Praise be to Cheeto Boehner! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #5
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Stupid Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9
Yup BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #11
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They want BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #34
That's rich! Good post. juajen Jul 2013 #41
+1 treestar Jul 2013 #50
He's four and a half years too late for the bully pulpit. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #92
So what does he do now? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #94
It's too late. Republicans have him by the nuts. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #95
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #10
Wow. Why doesn't Obama wave his magic wand? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #13
Detroit built the Great American Middle Class. Octafish Jul 2013 #17
So did the rest of us treestar Jul 2013 #49
. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #91
That's really dumb. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #18
It is truly stunning that a person who will surely protest of being among the best bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20
Question for you n2doc? sheshe2 Jul 2013 #23
I don't do binary thinking n2doc Jul 2013 #33
"What HAS Obama done to help Detroit?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #35
Let's see...when Obama was campaigning LAST YEAR n2doc Jul 2013 #40
I don't think Obama had much EC Jul 2013 #48
Of COURSE IT IS OBAMA'S FAULT!!!1111!!!111!1! HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!111!1!!!! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #57
WTF is this about "way after"? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #56
In 1975, President Gerald Ford extended a multi-billion dollar loan package to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #81
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24
Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #25
some Op's are too stupid to respond to..... chillfactor Jul 2013 #28
And some responders are too lame... 99Forever Jul 2013 #31
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #37
It's not a "random post on an anonymous message board..." RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #43
I was referring to the post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #67
Careful, or he might yell in your ear so loudly that you'll go deaf. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #45
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #68
Ow. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #38
Great political cartoon. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #44
So the President is supposed to create a perfect world? treestar Jul 2013 #47
So Obama caused the problems in Detroit? devilgrrl Jul 2013 #51
The House of Representatives, on the other hand, is actively making things worse. another_liberal Jul 2013 #54
Maybe it would help if Obama would not sign any more let's-send-jobs-to-foreign-countries free-trade AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #55
Yeah that will fix everything JEB Jul 2013 #58
I agree that the President did not cause Detroit's problems. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #62
This 'cartoon' is pure freeper crap. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #64
I am surprised the NYT is even aware Detroit exists BlueStreak Jul 2013 #76
The non-defense mounted here is just fucking hilarious. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #83
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