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85. You speak of the left as if we are a bad thing for this country. I get a very strong impression

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:10 PM

Jul 2013

that you must consider yourself on the right, otherwise why would you go out of your way to bash the left? Can I assume when you say "left" you really mean liberal? Why would a good Democrat push the Republican meme that liberal=bad? Why do you carry their water in bashing liberals? That is what you are doing even if you don't realize it.

Do you think liberals are too stupid to carry more than one thought at the same time? I can assure you that I am capable of commenting on Snowden and President Obama and still have opinions about other things. I think about Social Security often and whether it will be thrown over the next fiscal cliff. I also think about most everything being discussed on DU in the main discussion groups.

I also think that the right of the Democratic party must be trying to preemptively blame the 2014 elections on the liberals, how could I possibly interpret the following otherwise?

the left should be educating Americans about why they are in distress and help prepare them to participate in the next election.

The left? Why not all Democrats and liberals? Don't we all want to shoulder the blame? And while I am asking questions, could you tell me how President Obama treats the Progressive caucus?

It appears to me by your actions with this OP, that you are the one that wants to aid the Republicans by causing dissension in the Democratic ranks.

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As Republicans Make Millions Suffer, the Left�s Ideologues Obsess Over Edward Snowden [View all] flamingdem Jul 2013 OP

K&R COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #1

NAILS IT! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #2

Yes, and they won't take responsibility for it flamingdem Jul 2013 #6

I think most of us can handle more than one thing at a time. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #175

Step, chew, step, chew, step, chew, chew... Agghghh reusrename Jul 2013 #183

I'm not sure where you are coming from? kentuck Jul 2013 #48

because people _do not care_ about the patriot act if they cant pay their bills pasto76 Jul 2013 #51

Do we have to choose one or the other?? kentuck Jul 2013 #62

I guess some people cannot multitask and for those of us that do Rex Jul 2013 #65

EVERY concern needs to be addressed to CONGRESS BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #66

yes, exactly!! nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #79

+1000 nt Andy823 Jul 2013 #120

And why do you suppose that is occurring? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #130

My opinion: It's just so much easier to blame Obama for everything. Plus... Hekate Jul 2013 #171

+1 dlwickham Jul 2013 #154

Of course, Obama supports both the Patriot Act and the NSA spying LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #211

WTF Skittles Jul 2013 #179

There isn't any connection here? reusrename Jul 2013 #184

+10 RC Jul 2013 #253

Read the post again BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #63

There would not have had a vote on "scaling back" the Patriot Act if not for Snowden. kentuck Jul 2013 #71

And why is that? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #91

"This has nothing to do with "Snowden". You give him too much credit" kentuck Jul 2013 #126

So you're saying Obama wants the Patriot Act repealed and LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #212

I expect he does BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #217

Can you point me to some of his recent statements LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #218

Here is the first step at getting it done BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #226

So even though Obama reauthorized the Patriot Act LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #238

We almost had a bill pass that put some curbs on NSA Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #176

Did the bill (amendment) go far enough? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #221

The Left's Teabaggers AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #3

Are you going to delete this post too? HangOnKids Jul 2013 #74

That thread attracted too many nutjobs, some of which AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #113

Argyle. Wool. It's anyone's guess. nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #178

Earlg Puglover Jul 2013 #220

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #228

Yep, all they care about is what propaganda greenwald is telling them next.. Cha Jul 2013 #230

Hear hear.nt Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #255

so true although I don't think obama is really a leftist ideologue nt msongs Jul 2013 #4

Pretty much how I feel. Yes, NSA revelations are a slippery slope, but JaneyVee Jul 2013 #5

I agree DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #252

Well I have been reading about all the horrible things that Obama supposedly does Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #7

It's crazy that people are willing to throw it all away again flamingdem Jul 2013 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #33

Damn! kentuck Jul 2013 #49

you'll never get throught to the swooners, mother earth Skittles Jul 2013 #150

Privacy and choice go hand in hand Fumesucker Jul 2013 #8

I wish more people on this thread paid attention to your simple post. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #90

Yup ProSense Jul 2013 #9

If Snowden's Russian adventure isn't important Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #215

Because I feel like it. OK? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #216

Oh, but it's not important. LOL. Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #231

Some people have ZERO sense of Irony or Hypocrisy. bvar22 Jul 2013 #239

Pretty close to how I feel about Progressive dog Jul 2013 #11

According to the Political Compass, Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #166

Are they obsessing over Snowden or are they obsessing over the Republican policies...? kentuck Jul 2013 #12

Let's not personalize it, look at the information and think flamingdem Jul 2013 #14

Sorry. I don't buy it. kentuck Jul 2013 #26

You speak of the left as if we are a bad thing for this country. I get a very strong impression A Simple Game Jul 2013 #85

Excellent points... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #121

Put another worm on the hook. kentuck Jul 2013 #131

Thank you. onyourleft Jul 2013 #205

You can't multitask. If you could you wouldn't be expending ALL Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #256

Yes, I understand there... onyourleft Jul 2013 #261

nails it. nt dionysus Jul 2013 #13

...and the center's ideologues obsess over the Left's ideologues. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #15

I've followed the story to examine how it may have been manufactured flamingdem Jul 2013 #18

I looked at your active threads just now. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #31

"Hey look over there, its Snowden" someone must be losing ground. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #37

Bazinga! HangOnKids Jul 2013 #82

I pointed this hypocrisy down thread... AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #155

I swear I thought it was a joke when I first read it Skittles Jul 2013 #180

Caring about surveillance causes poverty? Bragi Jul 2013 #16

No, but obsessing over Snowden does nothing to end poverty. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #56

The OP obsesses about Snowden AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #167

So pointing out that DUers are obsessing over Snowden is obsessing over Snowden? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #188

The OP posts thread after thread after thread on the subject AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #193

Really? Is he/she fantasizing about having mojitos on the beach with Snowden like some DUers?? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #199

NO AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #202

RIDICULOUS Skittles Jul 2013 #181

If you want pretzel logic, see post 167. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #189

And rank hypocracy AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #203

Is there an official list of things not to obsess over? Bragi Jul 2013 #186

Actually, climate change would be a great thing to obsess over... SunSeeker Jul 2013 #187

Not quite so simple Bragi Jul 2013 #208

So, it is the left that forces flamingdem to post dozens of anti-Snowden and Greenwald Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #194

No, seems to me flamingdem thinks for himself/herself. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #195

The OP claims that the left is obsessing over Snowden. I'm not seeing that... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #198

Well those are the threads that get the most replies right now. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #200

Yes. Like this Snowden-obsessed thread. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #206

What irony. Look around. THose obsessed here in DU with Snowden and put up post after post rhett o rick Jul 2013 #17

The people obsessed with Snowden usually claim they won't vote flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

Democrats usually side with whistle-blowers and not the authoritarian state. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #25

Why do posters here define the "left" by their own narrow purist criteria BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #68

I resemble that remark! flamingdem Jul 2013 #83

Awwww BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #84

If you are so "progressive" why dont I ever see you posting in threads that pertain to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #123

Do a search BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #137

So tell us what issues you are interested in, besides Snowden and any other whistle-blower that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #162

You might not like it BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #201

Sorry, somehow you stepped between me and flamingdem. My post 123 was to him/her. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #214

"Why do posters here define the "left" by their own narrow purist criteria" rhett o rick Jul 2013 #106

Not sure where you drifted off to in that rambling response. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #136

"Why do some posters here try to disparage the left?" RC Jul 2013 #257

I agree. We must clean up the Democratic Party before we can proceed. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #258

No, they simply realize that the anti-Snowden crowd are no different from the bush apologists. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #153

Pro Snowden people put up plenty of Snowden threads. nt treestar Jul 2013 #22

I don't know how many times I've seen the same Greenwald article posted. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #24

Why dont you post in threads that actually discuss issues? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #27

I will if you post a link to one. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #30

Did Sid give you permission to use is ridicule emoticon? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #32

LOL! Segami Jul 2013 #46

The title isn't very promising treestar Jul 2013 #40

And authoritarians hate Chomsky. He dares to speak truth to Big Daddy power. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #110

Apparently someone didn't think much of his/it's posting habits. Puglover Jul 2013 #219

Saves me from putting him on ignore. What happened? Do you know? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #222

God, it was obvious. Puglover Jul 2013 #223

I thought so but then I think others here are corporatist trolls. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #224

+1 Marr Jul 2013 #55

K&R treestar Jul 2013 #20

AND out of the State Houses. Both governors' mansions AND the state legislatures calimary Jul 2013 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #21

I don't think Obama is on a never ending vacation flamingdem Jul 2013 #23

He supports the Patriot Act. You cant blame the Republicans for that. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #35

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #94

the 1st half of that headline is right... Deep13 Jul 2013 #28

I hereby nominate this thread..... 99Forever Jul 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #36

Seconded. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #58

Hear here! tblue Jul 2013 #73

It's because many people only care about policies that they think affect them. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #38

Would you say it's obsessive to post several anti-Snowden threads every day? last1standing Jul 2013 #39

What is "near the poverty line"? median household income is ~43K Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #41

The left's ideologues ARE obsessing over Snowden burnodo Jul 2013 #42

garbage talking point of the day. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #43

All they know how to do is bash the left Rex Jul 2013 #47

They've hijacked the Party and dragging everything Broward Jul 2013 #86

Fortunately AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #109

Is there no room for a gray area? Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #169

Ed and Al both know what it is like trying to reason Rex Jul 2013 #247

I see someone is obsessing over Snowden, how funny is that? Rex Jul 2013 #44

The erosion of our civil liberties as disclosed by Snowden is not mutually exclusive. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #45

Those numerous problems listed were there before Snowden... kentuck Jul 2013 #52

Snowden is not an excuse for anything. Quite the contrary, there is no excuse for ignoring NSA totodeinhere Jul 2013 #99

"NSA spying is being used by the 1% who control this country to keep us under their thumbs?" cstanleytech Jul 2013 #59

Dear totodeinhere, tblue Jul 2013 #70

I can multi task mick063 Jul 2013 #50

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2013 #53

Sorry allinthegame Jul 2013 #54

The state of 'protest' in America today is an embarrassment. randome Jul 2013 #57

The ol' choosing the ''lesser of two evils'' pitch again? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #61

I don't think it's the lessor of two evils. I think it's the issues of survival vs surveillance. n kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #64

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. n/t DeSwiss Jul 2013 #93

The obsession is to hate and blame him. tblue Jul 2013 #67

A simple solution to your dilemma. Call off the dogs and give Snowden his passport. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #69

How are Snowden or civil rights activists responsible for the GOP's crimes? Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2013 #72

So true. Millions suffer while we obess over "owl shit." demosincebirth Jul 2013 #75

Democratic Socialist here: the surveillance state and suffering imposed upon the millions by HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #76

Well said, HardTimes99, kentuck Jul 2013 #78

If we had evidence of the NSA's illegality or abuse, I would agree with you. randome Jul 2013 #81

If the words of Democratic Rep. Loretta Sanchez ("tip of the iceberg") have not HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #152

Still no evidence provided by S&G. And 'tip of the iceberg' is very vague. randome Jul 2013 #158

No evidence except a court ruling, you mean? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #213

Sure, from the FISA court. You know, the one you don't trust. randome Jul 2013 #232

Applause for logic & truth marions ghost Jul 2013 #87

Greenwald a "member" of the "working class" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #88

It makes no sense to try to divide marions ghost Jul 2013 #95

There's a reason why "1%" and 'parasite class" are synonyms. The HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #151

"Does that mean you share my analysis that Snowden is working class?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #225

Gee, maybe because they are somewhat intertwined. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #77

Applause again for truth marions ghost Jul 2013 #89

Comrade stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #80

This post is classic deflection. Blames the Left for the inability of the Center to carry out leveymg Jul 2013 #92

So you blame Obama and not the Republicans? flamingdem Jul 2013 #96

You're torturing another metaphor to make another weak point. eom leveymg Jul 2013 #97

Here's a list of your GD OPs since the NSA spying was revealed, flamingdem: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #98

Obsessed is making a post like this and not parsing the meaning of my OP flamingdem Jul 2013 #100

You hate that post because it effectively illuminates how obsessed YOU are with Snowden. stillwaiting Jul 2013 #119

I wrote above about my interest in the story flamingdem Jul 2013 #122

Well, you certainly have no problem putting down "the left's" interest in Snowden's revelations. stillwaiting Jul 2013 #132

The meaning of your OP and all of them seems to be 'blame liberals not the Republicans' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #133

Oh for heaven's sake Aerows Jul 2013 #192

Damn! demmiblue Jul 2013 #102

You and others here are engaging in shaming and outing in a really sick fashion flamingdem Jul 2013 #104

You think that listing your OPs is 'shaming' and 'outing' you? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #111

We've all seen your one billion and one posts on Snowden and Greenwald so there is nothing to Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #141

Perhaps you're doing it to yourself? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #172

That's still more data than the NSA has on him. Kind of creepy, dude. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #105

Be realistic. The NSA runs a web crawler that collects all the data that Bing or Google do muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #117

LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #116

Wow, that left a mark. SMC22307 Jul 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Jul 2013 #144

For real. Used to almost respect that poster too. Number23 Jul 2013 #164

To quote Obama: AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #173

That quote is not attributed to Obama. Number23 Jul 2013 #240

Impressive Oilwellian Jul 2013 #161

You nailed the OP TO THE FUCKING WALL!! Bravo!! nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #196

Word Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #249

Heh - so flamingdem thinks talking about the thread starter is a 'call out'? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #250

Got his thread locked! Thanks for the post Rex Jul 2013 #254

Wow-- could this shit get any more transparent? Marr Jul 2013 #259

So The left can control the Right's agenda? n2doc Jul 2013 #101

Yeah, sure. JoeyT Jul 2013 #103

You sure are wasting a lot of enegry AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #107

Why are you posting a personal attack about an OP from a democratic site? flamingdem Jul 2013 #108

I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #112

Who are you to tell me what I post about? flamingdem Jul 2013 #114

If you can't handle hearing about it AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #118

You have a problem, as I explained flamingdem Jul 2013 #124

I have a problem with my government spying on me AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #134

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #142

Yes, of course AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #145

Ahh Poor Bum Got A Time Out! HangOnKids Jul 2013 #229

Funny AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #236

Your OP is telling other people what they should post about muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #125

Guess what ridiculous outing person flamingdem Jul 2013 #127

Of course you wrote the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #135

Personal attack that has no bearing on the issue. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #140

The Left better WAKE UP railsback Jul 2013 #115

It isn't about Snowden AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #129

it's no use AA - the swooners just DO NOT GET IT Skittles Jul 2013 #182

How are you blaming the left here? Does the left create a dragnet surveillance program or was that TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #147

Yup gulliver Jul 2013 #128

So the desire to fill our bellies means it's acceptable to empty our souls? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #138

kick kentuck Jul 2013 #143

A quote from Henry A Wallace: Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #146

most of them are not the left, most are conspiracy theory types and right wing libertarian types JI7 Jul 2013 #148

What a goddamn fucking STUPID article. It's not either/or. It's possible to do both. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #149

Actually, It's the Third Way crowd that's obsessing over Snowden MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #156

Exactly. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #157

More from the link, why I'm disgusted with this media circus: freshwest Jul 2013 #159

Just curious - do you agree with Elizabeth Warren that 'chained CPI' MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #160

Well, Snowden and how important DU is to Teh Establishment Number23 Jul 2013 #163

Same here. great white snark Jul 2013 #185

As leftists, we're incapable of focusing on more than one issue at a time. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #165

you can change it to glen greenwald now PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #168

I'm shocked! Hekate Jul 2013 #170

Because if Snowden didn't exist, poverty would vanish, LittleBlue Jul 2013 #174

LittleBlue mick063 Jul 2013 #241

lol thanks LittleBlue Jul 2013 #242

So wait, let me get this straight... Union Scribe Jul 2013 #177

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #190

Divisive philly_bob Jul 2013 #191

Maybe the ideologues have it right. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #197

"an expatriate journalist living in South America" KamaAina Jul 2013 #204

He says it is problematic because he has 8 dogs... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #207

I'm perfectly capable of caring about both Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #209

Since YOU continually obsess about Snowden, bvar22 Jul 2013 #210

I do not think they understand irony or hypocrisy, bvar22 Skittles Jul 2013 #227

I do. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #233

I think she may be among the last ones Skittles Jul 2013 #234

I don't know what you're talking about. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #235

uh huh Skittles Jul 2013 #248

Another post with no substance. Just snark. That's all you guys got. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #237

There is a time and place for everything mick063 Jul 2013 #244

The problem I see is that we have Democrats that carry water for the conservative Administration. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #246

That was one of the Bushbots' distinguishing characteristics as well, oddly enough. Marr Jul 2013 #260

I have to agree. I'm not trying to knock anyone ecstatic Jul 2013 #243

K&R. Whisp Jul 2013 #245

How the hell did I miss this? Big K & R!!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #251

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #262