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another_liberal

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158. They have already admitted they are doing more than you suggest.

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:14 PM

Jul 2013

This story has moved on quite a bit since that was the official line. Greenwald's latest article and recent testimony by NSA officials to Congress leave that "only foreign calls" claim behind in the dust.

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Glen Greenwald Continues His Lies [View all] frontier00 Jul 2013 OP

He is Limbaugh of the Left! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #1

when did he get a daily national radio show? burnodo Jul 2013 #2

A metaphor does not have to mean exactly the same thing treestar Jul 2013 #43

In 15 years, a LOT of people have been called "The Limbaugh of the Left" burnodo Jul 2013 #45

Fact free baseless smears are my favorites.... think Jul 2013 #27

Apt description Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #91

He's not on "The Left". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #153

It's Glenn with two n's... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #3

Let's see; Glenn has access to actual, genuine data on the NSA programs Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #4

but we cant see it until Glenn publi$he$ his book. DCBob Jul 2013 #8

Do you know any politicians who $ell book$ while campaigning? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #22

Do you know anyone who claims to have incredibly critical world changing information.. DCBob Jul 2013 #26

What do you call Binney, Drake, Wiebe, Ellsberg, Tamm, Edmonds, Tice, think Jul 2013 #30

The files that have been released are no doubt legit. DCBob Jul 2013 #33

Wait. Is your complaint that his book will cost money, or Marr Jul 2013 #42

Why should he ask for money? treestar Jul 2013 #47

I see. So the problem is that the book will cost money, unlike other books. Marr Jul 2013 #50

This information is vital to our freedom I thought? treestar Jul 2013 #59

Oh, c'mon-- you can do better than that. I've heard Sean Hannity use that "argument". Marr Jul 2013 #94

It is Greenwald saying our freedom depends on it treestar Jul 2013 #97

I see. So he says too much, and waits too long to say it. Marr Jul 2013 #102

My biggest complaint is why is he waiting to release the information.. DCBob Jul 2013 #49

Let's say I just concede the point that Glenn Greenwald is a big meany who Marr Jul 2013 #53

Makes you wonder his motives and credibility.. doesnt it?? DCBob Jul 2013 #61

No, not really. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #89

There's elections next year. LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #115

If it truly is so shocking and assuming super important, it is selfish of him to delay Whisp Jul 2013 #73

I think he's waiting for the denial. boston bean Jul 2013 #86

the building in Utah Whisp Jul 2013 #131

I agree there are real threats, but the government collecting it info on lawful boston bean Jul 2013 #133

I can't disagree with what you say. Whisp Jul 2013 #138

Ok, he's a selfish meany. And that makes the information presented untrue... how? /nt Marr Jul 2013 #101

That's pretty much everyone. Writers write for a living. What do you do? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #129

Yup, it'll co$t you $ome buck$ unle$$ you want to mi$$ out on hi$ ver$ion of the $tory. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #79

How does it get "picked up" if they are not collecting or storing the information? kentuck Jul 2013 #5

Exactly cannondale Jul 2013 #88

Not my skill area, but it doesn't seem like a difficult technical challenge. MH1 Jul 2013 #157

The key words are "on citizens." arely staircase Jul 2013 #170

what do they have, and what puts you Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #6

How the fuck would YOU know? 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

WTF? n/t RKP5637 Jul 2013 #9

What is the difference between "NSA storing" that data and "goes in a database"? leveymg Jul 2013 #10

here - I'll answer it for you... corkhead Jul 2013 #17

You say "it goes into a database." That's the same thing Greenwald says. morningfog Jul 2013 #11

No frontier00 Jul 2013 #15

So, you think metadata is all that NSA intercepts and stores? leveymg Jul 2013 #25

it's what they want badly to believe. KG Jul 2013 #32

As the posters above say, how the fuck would YOU know? treestar Jul 2013 #44

Not speculating at all. It's based in public documents and from court cases/FOIA/as well as leaks leveymg Jul 2013 #51

You are speculating that they abuse this law treestar Jul 2013 #58

They're not even using it to track down missing children or bust sex slave traffickers. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #62

No, if it worked, there would be far less criticism. leveymg Jul 2013 #72

You know you are right, that is not even considered at all treestar Jul 2013 #77

It is like our vice Prez said Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #159

Or maybe sometimes it could lead to something about Al Qaeda treestar Jul 2013 #164

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to McCarthyism, v. 2.0 -- Taking slurs to a whole HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #162

No, this is not speculation. I'm pointing out how the system describes it own operation. leveymg Jul 2013 #69

It sounds to me like he's acknowledging that call content is stored, but since it's not Marr Jul 2013 #48

Props for 'Schrodinger's Call' - an awesome and appropriate metaphor, even if HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #163

Its a dodge bobduca Jul 2013 #166

frontier00, are you the NSA? bluetexas Jul 2013 #96

OH MY GAWD!!! hootinholler Jul 2013 #12

Point frontier00 Jul 2013 #13

Takes one to know one corkhead Jul 2013 #14

Thank you. You've changed my mind on this subject. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #16

Phew, I'm so glad they came forward with their cardinal knowledge thereby RKP5637 Jul 2013 #20

R#4 & K for, I guess it's more important to know his name has 2 'n'(s) than his facts are correct nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #18

GG is either terribly misinformed or he like misinforming those who believe in him. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #19

What is he misinformed about? He says the NSA has trillions of calls and e-mails in their database. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #137

Have you really listened when phone call records are being collected. They are talking about the Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #143

No, no, NO. The NSA has actual recordings--but NOT of U.S. citizens. They RECORD calls Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #145

Recording of a call is obtained through wiretapping. This is completely different from phone call Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #21

I just watched that, Scarey, you would think we would have learned something. Thanks n/t bahrbearian Jul 2013 #34

Thank you mother earth. I think we all want to know what snappyturtle Jul 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #38

William Binney, 30 yr. NSA employee..is the mathematician and code breaker that created the system.. nenagh Jul 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #39

I can't thank you enough for posting the Binney videos. Invaluable to our understanding. nenagh Jul 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #134

hilarious. KG Jul 2013 #23

Speaking of dirtbags... Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #24

We may as call this "#5 Sunday." PSPS Jul 2013 #28

+10000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #31

A list? treestar Jul 2013 #46

LOL MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #83

Database = no collection?? boston bean Jul 2013 #29

See mother earth's link up thread.... snappyturtle Jul 2013 #37

He needs to stir it up treestar Jul 2013 #40

Pot meet Kettle. U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #168

Glen has an agenda. He will bend anything to serve its purpose. The truth matters little to him. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #41

You don't know what a database is. Bradical79 Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Bradical79 Jul 2013 #56

The Character Assassination Continues - First Snowden - Now Greenwald cantbeserious Jul 2013 #54

If they can't take the heat, why did they go into the kitchen? treestar Jul 2013 #63

NonSensical Reply - An Individuals Response To Attack Is Independent Of The Attack cantbeserious Jul 2013 #64

Obama, Reid, Pelosi get attacked here all the time treestar Jul 2013 #76

I See - Continuing To Justify The Character Assassination Versus Focusing On The Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #81

Obama Reid Pelosi, and most of Obama's nominees get the same thing treestar Jul 2013 #93

Missed The Point Again - Character Assassination Is Not The Same As The Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #95

So have you treestar Jul 2013 #100

One Supposes That One Never Took A Debating Class - Character Assassination Is Not Allowed cantbeserious Jul 2013 #103

Why does that not apply to Obama, Reid and Pelosi? treestar Jul 2013 #126

Once Again - No Comprehension Of The Underlying Information Nor Understanding Of Character Assassination cantbeserious Jul 2013 #128

"isn't storing....goes in a database..." DID YOU READ YOUR OWN WORDS? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55

^^^ This ^^^ Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2013 #68

I don't remember voting for Greenwald to AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #57

I don't remember voting to be spied on Generic Other Jul 2013 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #66

+1 and yet there are complaints that he is criticized! treestar Jul 2013 #78

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #109

Nice two minutes hate. villager Jul 2013 #60

Goebbels would be proud Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #67

Might I suggest janlyn Jul 2013 #70

You mean marions ghost Jul 2013 #74

Yes, that's what I meant!!! janlyn Jul 2013 #116

This: Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #71

that puppet is kinda dirty! nt grasswire Jul 2013 #90

Oooops..you beat me to it! RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #99

NSA spying is SECRET, so how can you purport to KNOW NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #80

Without Detailed Facts - The Only Thing To Attack Is The Messenger cantbeserious Jul 2013 #82

How can Greenwald purport to know? randome Jul 2013 #98

Greenwald is a Journalist with access to information and connections that average citizens NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #105

Until Greenwald provides evidence, it's only his 'gut feeling', too. randome Jul 2013 #119

13 people shamefully recced this idiotic thread? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #84

Cut and paste the list...collect 'em all! wtmusic Jul 2013 #108

worst OP of the ...(name the time period). NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #85

They are in a DB = they are stored cannondale Jul 2013 #87

(HB)Gary? Is that you? RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #92

. wtmusic Jul 2013 #104

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2013 #106

Hey, you're not allowed to doubt. shenmue Jul 2013 #107

This OP is the real loser... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #110

Clapper has spoken !!!! Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #111

+1000 SoapBox Jul 2013 #112

I don't normally do this but after reading this entire thread there is only one appropriate response Fumesucker Jul 2013 #113

My country right or wrong SCVDem Jul 2013 #114

"Picked up" from where, frontier00? Iggo Jul 2013 #117

Greenwald was on CNN with Morgan Spurlock yesterday claiming flamingdem Jul 2013 #118

"shyster" has a rather discriminatory tone to it, boston bean Jul 2013 #123

Your comment is ridiculous, that term is in common use flamingdem Jul 2013 #124

No outrage. Just pointing it out. boston bean Jul 2013 #130

Did you even look up the word? It's from MIDDLE GERMAN nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #132

Yeah, I looked it up and have heard it used derogatorily in reference to Jewish people. boston bean Jul 2013 #135

You are shameful really, and I never bother getting angry with people on DU flamingdem Jul 2013 #139

I told you, you were using a word that has been used as a Jewish slur, toward a Jewish person. boston bean Jul 2013 #140

BULLSHIT U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #169

You're inventing meanings that are not there. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #146

So say you. I can pull up links that say otherwise. boston bean Jul 2013 #147

You did not even read the link. You do not care about learning or about the truth. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #148

I'm not the only person in the world who thinks this. boston bean Jul 2013 #150

I looked. I can't find one that's credible. And I know you are wrong on this. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #151

ok, you can close the discussion and determine what "links" you think are credible. boston bean Jul 2013 #152

The meaning of shyster may not have started out as an Anti-Semitic slur but... unapatriciated Jul 2013 #161

He has a forthcoming book to sell. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #120

Is frontier00 a social media persona? Bragi Jul 2013 #121

Which part of our Surveillance State . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #122

Where is the evidence they are doing anything illegal? randome Jul 2013 #125

I would tell you . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #127

They are monitoring foreign communications. randome Jul 2013 #141

They have already admitted they are doing more than you suggest. another_liberal Jul 2013 #158

Where does he say "of citizens"???? Please point that out. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #136

Makes you wonder why Glenn thought fit to mention it then, huh? randome Jul 2013 #142

Glenn Greenwald is a big ole meanie!!! QC Jul 2013 #144

Yeeah! MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #160

greenwald loves Teabaggers sigmasix Jul 2013 #149

Of course he's lying. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Federosky Jul 2013 #155

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #165

Rec'cing for the huge pile of stupid that is this thread. bobduca Jul 2013 #167