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Cronus Protagonist

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45. Thanks!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:54 AM
Jul 2013

You said it much better than I did. I presume you were drunk when you posted that because it is a rather powerful edification from which all might benefit.

(Before everyone piles on to shove verbal sticks up my ass, please read Brewinblue's sig line... )

My children will be taught to be color-blind. Socal31 Jul 2013 #1
I disagree BainsBane Jul 2013 #2
Teaching them not to be racist isn't the same thing as teaching them to be color-blind. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #4
Well, people's advantages or disadvantages due to race are not assumptions. reusrename Jul 2013 #59
It serves to reinforce the status quo. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #3
Exactly. That is the entire problem with "color-blindness" in a nutshell. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #5
The author is reinforcing the status quo... Pelican Jul 2013 #55
Wrong. The author is claiming that people already do that... Deep13 Jul 2013 #61
So... Pelican Jul 2013 #62
No, but pretending one isn't influenced by racism BainsBane Jul 2013 #147
My kids have friends of several races and treat them all the same. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #6
no, that isn't the point at all BainsBane Jul 2013 #10
The diffrience... Lancero Jul 2013 #7
You look at a person and think he/she is a different color than I am. mick063 Jul 2013 #8
denial is not a river in Egypt PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #9
Colorblindness is a philosophy grounded in naive optimism for an America that does not exist LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #11
Isn't racism treating people differently due to their skin color? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #12
Read the article BainsBane Jul 2013 #13
Did. Don't buy it. Hell, even MLK dreamed of a colorblind age... Skip Intro Jul 2013 #14
So does that mean people need to become like you to be accepted? BainsBane Jul 2013 #16
Exactly. When people say they want "a color-blind society" they usually mean *on their terms* nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #34
You are Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #17
MLK dreamed of it, he didn't say it was a reality. intheflow Jul 2013 #23
He dreamed of a FUTURE where people would be judged on the content of their character LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #54
How can we aspire to something that we're asked to consider racist today? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #108
Everyone would love a colorblind society- but selfish, foolish libertarian types think bettyellen Jul 2013 #146
If they think that if their color-blind actions will create reality... how is that racist? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #150
Because they are basically pretending that their inaction helps, and so, hindering progress. bettyellen Jul 2013 #151
Misreading the Dream: Color-Blindness and the Distortion of Martin Luther King Jr. gollygee Jul 2013 #67
I agree, and suggesting that those who see people through a color blind lens Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #71
but nobody is blind, are they? kwassa Jul 2013 #20
Racism LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #50
Stephen Colbert is a genius at exposing this. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #15
To me, color-blindness means "I don't see you". kwassa Jul 2013 #18
Or to be more specific... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #21
Do I have to start caring about people's religion, too? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #24
Could you have Fiddler on the Roof without Judaism? n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #25
False analogy. Race is visible, religion usually is not. kwassa Jul 2013 #141
Yarmulkes? Turbans? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #142
That will only get you Orthodox Jews and Sikhs. kwassa Jul 2013 #144
Colorblindness is the Conservative reaction to race sweetloukillbot Jul 2013 #29
Not just that we're all alike gollygee Jul 2013 #73
very well said BainsBane Jul 2013 #22
(1) All popular notions of race are vacuous from a scientific PoV; (2) these notions have arisen struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19
Best post of the thread! nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #36
There is only one race Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #26
That's unfortunate BainsBane Jul 2013 #27
You assume much, inaccurately too Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #28
That doesn't change the fact that race effects people's lives BainsBane Jul 2013 #30
Sorry, I'm not an American Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #31
But whatever you call it - "bigotry" or anything else - ignoring it won't make it go away. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #35
Do you think I don't see the argument? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #41
But how can you deal with racism if you refuse to discuss "race" at all? nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #42
It is NOT "racism", it IS bigotry Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #48
Seems to me "bigotry" is the general category and "racism" is a specific manifestation. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #49
Correctamundo! Racism exists, but separate races among humans do not. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #38
Thanks! Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #45
Thanks to you as well Cronus. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #57
You posted an awful lot of angry replies after trashing the thread. Orrex Jul 2013 #68
Really? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #69
Nope. Why do you ask? Orrex Jul 2013 #78
Rec. You would have done better to post this in one of the minority forums here Number23 Jul 2013 #32
I don't know... I think there have been some quite good responses on this thread. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #37
I'll cross post it tomorrow nt BainsBane Jul 2013 #43
Honestly LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #56
posting on a liberal site doesn't make one a liberal JI7 Jul 2013 #60
k&r Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #33
I see it more as being non-judgmental of each of our differences. uppityperson Jul 2013 #39
Read the article, didn't find it persuasive LittleBlue Jul 2013 #40
What I think the author isn't getting. Kurska Jul 2013 #44
I think you have it backwards BainsBane Jul 2013 #46
I disagree, you can believe race is a factor while not personally allowing it to be a factor for you Kurska Jul 2013 #47
You made the point I was just thinking of Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #72
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #110
Racist to treat people equally... Pelican Jul 2013 #51
You are deliberately looking to misunderstand BainsBane Jul 2013 #52
Another person trying to shill that race is so important... Pelican Jul 2013 #53
If I had to treat everyone differently based on their race I would be spinning.... dkf Jul 2013 #58
That's the problem with this OP. What if you don't know someone's race? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #66
Well that would be patronizing as hell, so good thing no one actually said that. n/t gollygee Jul 2013 #74
Yeah. That's not really what the OP is saying. DirkGently Jul 2013 #88
I agree Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #70
BainsBane JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #63
I think it's a particularly pernicious lie BainsBane Jul 2013 #64
I just answered a dumb ass poll about this JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #79
Heh heh. You wrote "ass poll" Orrex Jul 2013 #82
Perhaps I am naïve REP Jul 2013 #86
That last line explains the issue gollygee Jul 2013 #101
Take that tangible a step further JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #107
That's a good point gollygee Jul 2013 #109
Another terrific point Orrex Jul 2013 #112
OK, call me niave, but what is it about the perms that's specific to black women? Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #115
It's the opposite JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #117
Oh, ok, I knew about the segregated AA hair products, its just that most... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #121
I fall in that category JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #122
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging differences, but to avoid embarrassment... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #123
Also, and I'll be completely honest here, I spend like 10 bucks, maybe 15, every few months... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #125
How about I'm color blind I don't care about color we are all different uppityperson Jul 2013 #137
take what you need JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #140
You are absolutely right gollygee Jul 2013 #65
Saying things that are self-evidently nonsense is a good way to attract posters, but silly even so. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #75
Reading the article helps BainsBane Jul 2013 #76
It's hard for me to respond to content-free snark with anything other than content-free snark. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #81
If you have nothing to say, why say anything at all? kwassa Jul 2013 #143
I think that's Colbert's angle when his character claims he DirkGently Jul 2013 #77
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #80
I'm confused because I don't understand what differences are supposed to be highlighted... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #83
There is no such thing as biological race BainsBane Jul 2013 #87
Race is a cultural construct, that is true, but being a particular race, or percieved... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #95
That is certainly true BainsBane Jul 2013 #97
The problem is I think, the way people use words... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #102
Color blindness is claiming not to see race BainsBane Jul 2013 #103
Colbert's parody is funny if you take it literally, like he does, for the sake of comedy... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #105
True, but that doesn't mean the ones associated with race make any less of a contribution BainsBane Jul 2013 #111
That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about assumptions, based on perceptions of race... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #119
I certainly see that people are different, superficially, but I certainly don't make assumptions... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #106
I suspect that the people lecturing the most over this pretty much only know white people, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #91
Why don't you read the comments by African American posters in this thread BainsBane Jul 2013 #93
Good point BB - but they don't want to do that JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #114
Wrong gollygee Jul 2013 #99
I find this thread very annoying Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #84
I found the article and thread annoying as well, having multiracial children in my extended... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #90
What about this says don't treat people like human beings? BainsBane Jul 2013 #92
This thread is strawman central gollygee Jul 2013 #94
Do you mean my thread? BainsBane Jul 2013 #96
I mean the responses to your thread gollygee Jul 2013 #98
It's a heady subject BainsBane Jul 2013 #100
I should have said Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #124
Apparently "colorblindness" is DU's new "benevolent sexism". Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #85
There is nothing benevolent about a lie BainsBane Jul 2013 #89
For me, Richard Wright illustrated the flaw of 'colorblind' behavior. LiberalAndProud Jul 2013 #104
"In a colorblind society" shawn703 Jul 2013 #113
Exactly. Right on point. kwassa Jul 2013 #145
"pretending we're colorblind ..." napkinz Jul 2013 #116
And a big fat +1 to that! gollygee Jul 2013 #120
Excellent point BainsBane Jul 2013 #136
I treat all people the same. However, I see MineralMan Jul 2013 #118
I think you describe doing exactly what the article advocates BainsBane Jul 2013 #128
That is how I was raised. MineralMan Jul 2013 #130
Making assumptions about people's experiences based upon their physical appearance, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #134
That's not what the article "lectures" you to do at all BainsBane Jul 2013 #139
Of course. Generally, you learn from the person. MineralMan Jul 2013 #149
Really sad to see this only has 25 recs on DU, of all places. mattclearing Jul 2013 #126
Not only does it have only 25 recs gollygee Jul 2013 #127
Nearly everyone I have met who claimed to be colorblind... Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #129
Nobody responded to my thread gollygee Jul 2013 #131
I did not see your thread before but I gave you a reply Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #132
You noticed that too BainsBane Jul 2013 #135
Certainly interesting, but not at all surprising. Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #138
Is that right?? Number23 Jul 2013 #148
I'm fine with multiculturalism;... badtoworse Jul 2013 #133
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