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BeyondGeography

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15. That's a more reasonable POV

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:28 AM

Jul 2013

It is a long game though. And what the article ignores is that one obvious point of the letter is to build a political case against Putin that prefigures, say, not following through on the planned face-to-face after G20 and/or making him squirm about the 2014 Olympics. Putin's ongoing failure to get over the Cold War and the fact that Russia is now a distant 3rd in a three-horse race has led him to act out against the U.S., and it's not just about Snowden (i.e. making Kerry wait three hours for a scheduled meeting and then ignoring him to his face). I think we're going to see a push-back, which has been well-earned.

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Wow! Ray McGovern roasts the Obama Administration, but good!... [View all] truth2power Jul 2013 OP

I think McGovern has painted an accurate picture of snappyturtle Jul 2013 #1

McGovern almost always does so. maddiemom Jul 2013 #8

Anyone remember the cartoon "Inspector Gadget"? morningfog Jul 2013 #2

Wow, what a worthless piece of "analysis" BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #3

Agreed. Trying to claim Russia has the moral highground at a time where they are ratcheting up the stevenleser Jul 2013 #4

Then there's Bolotnaya Square, Pussy Riot, Navalny BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #5

No need to wonder... stevenleser Jul 2013 #6

On LGBT issues neither nation has any 'moral highground' unless we pretend they are the only Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #19

seriously? there are scores and scores of countries cali Jul 2013 #20

Right? Get the OP & Co. a towel JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #21

Oh, Geez! I just can't help myself on this one... truth2power Jul 2013 #23

Only to the partisans in their bubble usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9

In this particular political match, this is a win for Putin. progressoid Jul 2013 #10

That's a more reasonable POV BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #15

A POV never to be heard in the MSM. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #26

No. What McGovern is actually saying truth2power Jul 2013 #25

Wow-I just got this vision of "USSR-1" Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #7

I thought Holder promised not to kill Snowden. JEB Jul 2013 #11

Wow, that didn't take long. blackspade Jul 2013 #12

People throw themselves under the bus. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #13

A swing and a miss.... blackspade Jul 2013 #14

Yep. Throw everything except the fact of the hoovering under the bus. Then ignore or deny the spying RC Jul 2013 #17

In the mad dash to make Snowden smell more pleasant than is real... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #16

Good point. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #24

Instead of making assumptions about someone of whom you know nothing-- truebluegreen Jul 2013 #33

Nothing I've read makes me want to change my mind in this case. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #41

What have you read? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #42

McGovern = another hero; hope he's right. snot Jul 2013 #18

I'm sure he is Catherina Jul 2013 #22

Only a small part of this article mentions Putin, specifically... truth2power Jul 2013 #28

I know lol. Catherina Jul 2013 #29

Ray McGovern is the best! nt Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #27

The WORLD is laughing and ridiculing the US "Keystone Cops" efforts, bvar22 Jul 2013 #30

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #31

Well, pouting and stamping their feet work so well for Republicans truebluegreen Jul 2013 #32

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Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Jay Carney aboard Air Force One en route to Galesburg, IL, 7/24/13 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #39

ray mcgovern starts out with a fucking lie and goes downhill from there. Cha Jul 2013 #44

You'd think that when the White House says, every frickin day, "The Prez is goin t'Russia for G20" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #45

Certainly not fucking ray mcgovern.. but, that's not how he Cha Jul 2013 #46

Nice! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #40

What would he prefer, dropping bombs? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #43