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41. Then he was inexcusably STUPID
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jul 2013

to believe the administration!

Common sense would have told such political cowards as Biden (the alleged foreign policy expert), Clinton (who was aware of PNAC's plans during Bill's second term), and Kerry (who knew the Bushes were liars from his investigation of Iran-Contra) that a country that had been under UN sanctions since the first Gulf War (1991) and then periodically bombed during the Clinton years could not have morphed into a military threat to the US by 2002. Moreover what chemical WMDs Saddam had, had been given to him by the US during the Reagan-Bush years when Iran and Iraq were at war (1980-1988) and the US was aiding its puppet Saddam because it was still mad about Khomeini in Iran! Add to such background facts that weapons inspectors in 2002-2003 had found nothing and were not allowed to complete their task (read Scott Ritter).

Biden and those like him (especially Clinton and Kerry) showed no knowledge (or were willfully blind) of fact or history with their IWR votes. They acted cravenly with their eyes on the 2002 midterms (though their seats were safe) and the 2004 Presidential election. They are prototypical examples of Profiles in Cowardice. They had a chance to back their words with the action of voting NAY; they could, and should, have heeded the sage words of Robert Byrd and Edward Kennedy who gave superb speeches with lessons about pre-emptive, unnecessary, costly war... and voted NO.

But these duplicitous, career pols played the game, aided and abetted Bush by providing bipartisan cover, and lived to garner more power. They are thus just as culpable as Bush for the resultant death, destruction and debt. And if they are proud of themselves, then their shamelessness knows no bounds!

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Yeah, these true peoples have the courage of their misguided convictions to stand tall on them usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #1
if people going changing their minds just because they learned something or looked at something Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #3
Madness, that's what! Union Scribe Jul 2013 #5
He wrote a book noise Jul 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #4
Please warn of graphic images n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #35
GOD DAMN IT! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #36
you know in much of the world these are the scenes shown on the prime time nightly news Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #39
That blood was spilled in our name Generic Other Jul 2013 #43
K&R -- Brilliant. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #6
It is....nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #7
The Character Assassination Continues cantbeserious Jul 2013 #8
So shredding the constitution and standing by it, along with a fake war is a good thing? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #9
It's a test of one's mettle. (spelling corrected) Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #12
Ahhh, brilliant sarcasm. I get it Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #13
not metal. mettle. eilen Jul 2013 #14
I stand corrected - (on the spelling) Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #15
Well, there WAS a good film about a piano ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #16
well I think would have preferred it to "The Piano" Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17
Obama can never, ever do any wrong. Got it. Even the Bush-sourced "patriot act" is good. Check. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #10
it is getting harder and harder to tell these days Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #18
I thought they just agreed with Bush's war. But I see your point, admitting you were so sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #11
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #19
Biden and Clinton were elected to an office treestar Jul 2013 #20
Yes, being in elected office makes them much less responsible for things Fumesucker Jul 2013 #23
Nonsensical distinction whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #37
And they still accomplish more on the toilet than GG will AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #21
So in your opinion the measure of a man is how much he shits? bowens43 Jul 2013 #52
"I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration." ProSense Jul 2013 #22
Greenwald apologized. He was not an elected official who voted for the war. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #25
+! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #26
Lets not forget WHY they voted for it. One, they were lied to by JaneyVee Jul 2013 #28
Which is likely why Greenwald supported it (at first) whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #40
Lied to?! Puhleeze Carolina Jul 2013 #44
How can they not see the incredible hypocrisy and stupidity of attacking Greenwald on this? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #38
Oh Greenwald changed his mind, did he? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #33
Oh, SNAP! Efilroft Sul Jul 2013 #42
Wow. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #47
Your hypocrisy is that you support other war supporters and cheerleaders and yes voters Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #49
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #24
False. See video below: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #27
Role Call vote on Iraq War Resoltion - Delaware Joseph Biden (D): Yes Thomas Carper (D): Yes Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29
Sure he voted for it, under false pretenses. The administration said JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30
does he agree or disagree with John Kerry that he would have voted for it anyway? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #31
Then he was inexcusably STUPID Carolina Jul 2013 #41
And yet 23 Senators with the same case presented to them voted NO. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #45
Exactomundo. closeupready Jul 2013 #48
You didn't even need to assume WMDs to conclude that, btw. joshcryer Jul 2013 #62
Scott Ritter, Robert Fisk, Hans Blix, and suicided David Kelly dispute that. joshcryer Jul 2013 #60
Except that they WERE wrong. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #32
that's not excuse and no reason to admit it.. Do we want to be led by wimps who admit they Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58
Maybe. LWolf Jul 2013 #65
Really? snappyturtle Jul 2013 #34
OMG, did the Symbionese Liberation Army get to you, too? closeupready Jul 2013 #46
no, they all over the place Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #50
So basically you believe that bowens43 Jul 2013 #51
that's what real men of principle would do. Did Stalin ever admit he was wrong? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #57
I loved this thread. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #53
thank you , I appreciate that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #54
You know you've lost the high ground in a debate... randome Jul 2013 #55
. You know you've lost the high ground in a debate... Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #56
Are you ignoring Glen Greenwalds message (NSA surveillance) AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #61
some people sometime try to use irony to make their point Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jul 2013 #59
Clinton's weasely floor speech on the Iraq War Resolution: joshcryer Jul 2013 #64
An honest person admits when they are wrong. alarimer Jul 2013 #66
I gave you a rec for style points GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #67
Of course, being of the privileged class, they didn't risk facing rendition or other such things. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #68
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