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valerief

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57. Maybe, but Illinois doesn't have Stand Your Ground or criminal fraudster Rick Scott as gov.

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:10 PM

Jul 2013

Of course, there's violence everywhere there's poverty. Violence doesn't have to be legislated, however.

Scum-sucking toilet states below:
Alabama (enacted: 2006)
Alaska (enacted: 2011)
Arizona (enacted:2006 )
Florida (enacted: 2005)
Georgia (enacted:2006)
Indiana (enacted: 2006)
Kansas (enacted:2006)
Kentucky (enacted:2006)
Louisiana (enacted:2006)
Michigan (enacted:2006)
Mississippi (enacted: 2006)
Missouri (enacted: 2007)
Montana (enacted: 2009)
Nevada (enacted:2011)
New Hampshire (enacted:2011)
North Carolina (enacted:2011)
North Dakota (enacted: 2007)
Ohio (enacted: 2008)
Oklahoma (enacted:2006)
Pennsylvania (enacted:2011)
South Carolina (enacted: 2008)
Tennessee (enacted: 2007)
Texas (enacted: 2007)
Utah (enacted:2010)
West Virginia (enacted: 2008)
Wisconsin (enacted: 2011)
Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/stand-your-ground-law-26-states-breakdown-meaning-list#ixzz2aSHp3FMr

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Deputies shoot man in his front yard He was getting cigarette out of his mother's car [View all] HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 OP

Yay, cops! They're the best! hatrack Jul 2013 #1

Quick! Post the cop holding the milk jugs! That excuses everything, and explains... villager Jul 2013 #6

If I'm your neighbor ... Give me a call before you call the swat team. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #8

Uh, I called the cops on a neighbors daughter when my neighbors were on vacation hollysmom Jul 2013 #159

Wow, that could have had a tragic ending. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #206

I don't think so hollysmom Jul 2013 #207

sounds like a nice place to live. Eddie Haskell Aug 2013 #209

very expensive though since it is only 10 miles out side of the city hollysmom Aug 2013 #210

Trigger happy assholes pscot Jul 2013 #20

Untrained trigger-happy assholes. How many rounds did they fire, and how many times did they miss? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #34

There's something seriously wrong pscot Jul 2013 #108

17 bullet casings found. SEVENTEEN. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #162

PIGS lark Jul 2013 #63

Shit - Fan Combination. Ghost Dog Jul 2013 #101

why? the pic tells us everything we need to know. niyad Jul 2013 #2

This^^^ HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 #11

It does indeed pscot Jul 2013 #22

It's open war on African Americans in Florida. Obviously. This isn't just a cop story. DevonRex Jul 2013 #80

well if you cant stop us from voting............ n/t. okieinpain Jul 2013 #147

Even if they use Diebold? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #155

BWB CincyDem Jul 2013 #104

Not totally true - truedelphi Jul 2013 #123

There it is. +1 Scootaloo Jul 2013 #152

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you were saying. joshcryer Jul 2013 #171

Another innocent black guy gets shot. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #3

I smell a lawsuit. Aristus Jul 2013 #4

He now has PAID time off. A paid vacation in Florida. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

True, that. Ghost Dog Jul 2013 #109

"�My mother�s car is full of bullet holes though. My wife had to go and get a rental.� hedgehog Jul 2013 #5

Is the neighbor who called police white? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #7

Why does that matter? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #74

because the budding narrative is racially motivated Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #111

So you are suggesting that all these questions should be asked and answered before we judge? notadmblnd Jul 2013 #127

Your second set of questions is my point Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #131

If the cops are black, they're still pigs for shooting the guy without asking questions first. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #134

What happen to your scary black guy bit? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #136

That's the excuse people in FLa use to justiy shooting AAs that are minding their own business notadmblnd Jul 2013 #139

I think it's quite evident you know very little Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #140

That could be... However, I think it's quite evident- that you know even less. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #145

So lets see Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #137

Well I live near where Oscar Grant was shot by a police officer, why should I trust? CreekDog Jul 2013 #193

And I changed planes at O'hare once Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #195

that's what you say when you don't have an answer CreekDog Jul 2013 #198

C'mon Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #200

you've been mocking people on DU since you signed up --don't plead for civility after doing that CreekDog Jul 2013 #202

Mock? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #204

lol. so now being in you front yard is suspect. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2013 #148

I'm talking about the article Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #154

you said the following okieinpain Jul 2013 #160

My statment doesn't cause yours, so no is the answer Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #161

"The Escambia County Sheriff�s Office declined to comment on the incident Saturday" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #178

No, that's not what I'm saying but here's an update to the story Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #181

No, you're not 'good'. You are still accusing the paper of making this racially motivated muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #182

Here's the problem Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #184

The police have the 911 audio; the police know who the caller was muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #187

thanks for keeping the discussions to the points Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #189

I don't respect your thoughts muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #191

Well I guess Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #194

Imagine the carnage we'd have seen if the TIPS program had caught on. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #9

Hatrack already said it: Yay cops! They're the best! Th1onein Jul 2013 #10

Wait where is the police information from report? Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #12

Really? Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #14

I did not say "the most" Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #18

The false title for the 1st video does not establish that the father of 4 attacked the cop. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #23

You did not bother because truth makes one look foolish Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #35

Actually, your posting of a false video, one with a false headline, shows you are foolish. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #37

You may be right about the one video but you ignored my point Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #54

I did not ignore your point. You want me to offer a solution? OK. Stick with the truth. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #56

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #77

Just 2 days old, too. Hmmm. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #156

Then there are NYPD cops that serve for 30 years and never draw their gun. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #78

You should look at the second video. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #59

Father of four attacks? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #29

With a cigarette butt. DevonRex Jul 2013 #96

i believe both. its a damn dangerous job and they okieinpain Jul 2013 #149

The ones in most danger Savannahmann Jul 2013 #150

Actually, judging from the Top 10 list ... Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #41

First video a waste of time. Shows two tense people with not violent confrontation. I don't know Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #61

oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #76

And, "What did his mother's car do?" It was just sitting there. Yet they shot it more times than him AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #94

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #98

The car was suspiciously lurking in a private driveway at night Dragonfli Jul 2013 #112

Roughly speaking, about 150 police are killed in the line of duty every year Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #65

Are you kidding? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #135

Dangerous job? How dangerous can it be to shoot an unarmed man with his hands in the air? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #16

That is his statement Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #21

No you don't. Not really. If you really wanted the police report, you would contact that dept AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #24

Yea most departments not real keen on just giving reports to joe blow Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #28

That's not true. To get a police report, you pay for it. You falsely said that you wanted a police AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #31

??????????????????????? Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #36

You really don't understand? If you really want a police report, contact the dept and pay for it. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #43

yeah the other poster said the same thing about just one side CreekDog Jul 2013 #199

don't heaven05 Jul 2013 #79

You're right. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #91

And a witness statement. He's African American and it's Florida. DevonRex Jul 2013 #87

The cops mistaked the cig for Skittles and felt they had no choice Godhumor Jul 2013 #114

Judging from the statistics there are more innocent people killed by cops Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #45

Cops are much more dangerous than foreign terrorists. Who has killed more innocent Americans? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #49

Are you now... pipi_k Jul 2013 #141

Excuse me, but in my opinion, that's the stupidest thing that I've read today. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #143

Roofers don't shoot people damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #17

Actually, you heard two sides zipplewrath Jul 2013 #25

DUH that is the same side Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #32

Objective observer zipplewrath Jul 2013 #33

In his mind. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #47

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #82

Statistically speaking its a fairly safe job Nevernose Jul 2013 #38

Statistics don't always match perception. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #151

you're saying those cops were doing something dangerous to the victim, the guy who was shot CreekDog Jul 2013 #42

He turned around with his hands up and they shot him. Rex Jul 2013 #118

Nice boots you've got there. n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #153

DON'T BE A DAMN MORON. THIS MAN WAS SHOT IN HIS OWN YARD. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #163

what the cops say is usually a lie datasuspect Jul 2013 #186

Shoot first, ask questions later. City Lights Jul 2013 #13

free fire zones donquijoterocket Jul 2013 #53

I remember when discharging a cops' firearm was serious business justiceischeap Jul 2013 #15

REALLY!! ANOTHER black dude!? Come on!! We're supposed to be "post racial" after Obama!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #19

We ARE post racial Nevernose Jul 2013 #39

VERY good point! thx uponit7771 Jul 2013 #48

+10000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #84

I avoid both criminals and cops like the plague. Either one can ruin your life Zorra Jul 2013 #26

Lots of possible dumb there... pipi_k Jul 2013 #27

Intent matters when it's the police? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #30

Education matters when hiring police. the_sly_pig Jul 2013 #51

Plenty of educated people have done stupid things too. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #70

Just for info, the girl suggesting to deflate tires is likely a myth NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #81

Almost certainly Savannahmann Jul 2013 #85

Understood. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #89

Ya never used duct tape when a proper fastener was required? Paulie Jul 2013 #105

Everyone, even mechanical engineers overlooks something. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #120

Intent matters when it matters. Igel Jul 2013 #103

He was following their instructions. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #44

Is there pipi_k Jul 2013 #66

If the police wanted to release any contrary information, or a video, they could do so. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #71

this heaven05 Jul 2013 #93

Good advice. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #95

Here's the thing, dear... pipi_k Jul 2013 #128

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #130

If that's all pipi_k Jul 2013 #157

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #170

One-liners can be appropriate when a person rejects 2 eyewitnesses even when the cops did not AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #132

If they have any video... pipi_k Jul 2013 #129

Don't you get it? THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRARY VIDEO. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #133

Of course not pipi_k Jul 2013 #158

you're heaven05 Jul 2013 #88

Too bad pipi_k Jul 2013 #122

I understand NOLALady Jul 2013 #203

Turning around quickly is punishable by execution. Got it. nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #115

Oh please pipi_k Jul 2013 #121

Nah, you're just blaming the innocent guy for getting shot. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #138

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #142

good heaven05 Jul 2013 #174

Once more... pipi_k Jul 2013 #179

And at the end of the day, an innocent guy got fired, RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #208

Florida. I have a friend who lives there who says it's the worse state in the nation, valerief Jul 2013 #46

Your friend, apparently, has not been to Illinois. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #52

Maybe, but Illinois doesn't have Stand Your Ground or criminal fraudster Rick Scott as gov. valerief Jul 2013 #57

According to Legal Aid, Illinois statutes, an Illinois Supreme Court decision, Illinois has SYG law. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #69

Texas. Texas is nothing compared to Michigan and Florida. vaberella Jul 2013 #90

You should add: Cops feel threatened, use stand your ground defense. DonRedwood Jul 2013 #50

Black man in a car in the driveway at 2:42 am = automatic thief. Apophis Jul 2013 #55

Devils advocate again (ALSO AGAIN we do not know all the details) Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #67

It's perfectly fine to shoot first and ask questions later then, right? Apophis Jul 2013 #68

PLEASE Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #72

There can be no reason for them to shoot EvilAL Jul 2013 #92

Look, at 2:30 you get home from a long road trip. You have to DevonRex Jul 2013 #102

Where does it say 'guy jumps from car and makes threatening move'? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #125

The police "amended" their initial report. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #165

You really are something. How do you think YOU might react if a bunch of men SCREAMED AT YOU WinkyDink Jul 2013 #164

you're right heaven05 Jul 2013 #176

It's called "understanding." Igel Jul 2013 #106

"Empathy" for cops who fired 17 bullets at a man IN HIS OWN DRIVEWAY? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #167

One thing I'd like to see... pipi_k Jul 2013 #177

You seem to want the cops to be judge, jury and executioner Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #185

Q: What did the officers see that made them react this way? A: A black guy. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #86

threat he saw? heaven05 Jul 2013 #97

I'm sure he charged right at them Spirochete Jul 2013 #146

"Several rounds"? SEVENTEEN casings found at scene. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #166

you presuppose that the police act in good faith datasuspect Jul 2013 #188

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #99

Reverse progress Boomer Jul 2013 #58

Damn. Have they never heard of Chantix? jtuck004 Jul 2013 #60

He should have just told them to leave the milk at the door. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #62

He was armed with concrete, you can never be too careful. nt killbotfactory Jul 2013 #64

Of course libodem Jul 2013 #75

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #73

Cops sure hate Black people. No problem, we hate them back.n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #83

Seems like the cops in that county have guns and like to use them. OnlinePoker Jul 2013 #100

But not like them enough to use them for practice. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #110

Is there no tipping point? How many more overly zealous cops do we have to live or die with? SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #107

oink Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #113

What cops don't realize... TheLion Jul 2013 #116

Okay I know this is a stupid question BUT Rex Jul 2013 #117

Yes they are HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 #119

Question asked and answered. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #169

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #196

I mean, I cannot even believe I would make a lame excuse for the cops. Rex Jul 2013 #197

...the police say he "lunged", stuff like this needs to be on video but it doesn't matter Mike Dunn uponit7771 Jul 2013 #201

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #124

Sounds like the cop was lowering his gun Warpy Jul 2013 #126

The cop was lowering his gun? And it went off accidentally? FIVE TIMES? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #144

How do you account for the other 16 bullets fired? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #168

Once one idiot fires his gun, they all panic and fire theirs. Warpy Jul 2013 #173

warped heaven05 Jul 2013 #175

We know now that's not the case, but what made you think it in the first place? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #183

"In her carport, 17 shell casings had been found,"---Anyone who asks for "empathy" for the cops here WinkyDink Jul 2013 #172

Update: neighbor called him 'a black man' in 911 call; the police were afraid he had a gun muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #180

I'll agree that while the word pipi_k Jul 2013 #190

No policeman should have the instinct to shoot muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #192

If I were the guy who got shot, I'd be having a word or two with that neighbor. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #205