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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
29. I know lol.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jul 2013

I'm glad you reposted it. I posted it on Sunday because I thought it was a fantastic article. And as is becoming very common these days, the first responder was someone on my ignore list lol.

Here was my introduction to it:

It's a brilliant article. I recommend people read the whole thing. Ray McGovern rightfully points out how our death penalty earns us "the dubious distinction of joining a list with China, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia as the leaders in executing people"


The hypocrisy, the lack of transparency, the lies that so many people bent over backwards to cover, and still do, are coming back to bite us hard. And instead of admitting that burying heads in the sand and trying to maintain "message discipline" to cover for things we knew were wrong, or at least stopping the obfuscation, now it's everybody's fault for being racists or whatthefuck ever except the fault of the people who got caught and just pissed everyone off. This isn't even about Obama, it's about a surveillance state gone a-kilter. Obama's involvement is any of this is what he chooses it to be.

A writer at The New Republic had harsh criticism about that and pragmatically pointed out, that Obama should stop chasing Snowden, pardon Bradley Manning and pick up the ball with the public from there. That too wouldn't be out of "any motive other than expediency".

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I think McGovern has painted an accurate picture of snappyturtle Jul 2013 #1
McGovern almost always does so. maddiemom Jul 2013 #8
Anyone remember the cartoon "Inspector Gadget"? morningfog Jul 2013 #2
Wow, what a worthless piece of "analysis" BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #3
Agreed. Trying to claim Russia has the moral highground at a time where they are ratcheting up the stevenleser Jul 2013 #4
Then there's Bolotnaya Square, Pussy Riot, Navalny BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #5
No need to wonder... stevenleser Jul 2013 #6
On LGBT issues neither nation has any 'moral highground' unless we pretend they are the only Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #19
seriously? there are scores and scores of countries cali Jul 2013 #20
Right? Get the OP & Co. a towel JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #21
Oh, Geez! I just can't help myself on this one... truth2power Jul 2013 #23
Only to the partisans in their bubble usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9
In this particular political match, this is a win for Putin. progressoid Jul 2013 #10
That's a more reasonable POV BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #15
A POV never to be heard in the MSM. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #26
No. What McGovern is actually saying truth2power Jul 2013 #25
Wow-I just got this vision of "USSR-1" Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #7
I thought Holder promised not to kill Snowden. JEB Jul 2013 #11
Wow, that didn't take long. blackspade Jul 2013 #12
People throw themselves under the bus. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #13
A swing and a miss.... blackspade Jul 2013 #14
Yep. Throw everything except the fact of the hoovering under the bus. Then ignore or deny the spying RC Jul 2013 #17
In the mad dash to make Snowden smell more pleasant than is real... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #16
Good point. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #24
Instead of making assumptions about someone of whom you know nothing-- truebluegreen Jul 2013 #33
Nothing I've read makes me want to change my mind in this case. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #41
What have you read? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #42
McGovern = another hero; hope he's right. snot Jul 2013 #18
I'm sure he is Catherina Jul 2013 #22
Only a small part of this article mentions Putin, specifically... truth2power Jul 2013 #28
I know lol. Catherina Jul 2013 #29
Ray McGovern is the best! nt Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #27
The WORLD is laughing and ridiculing the US "Keystone Cops" efforts, bvar22 Jul 2013 #30
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #31
Well, pouting and stamping their feet work so well for Republicans truebluegreen Jul 2013 #32
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 7/12/2013 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #34
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 7/16/2013 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #35
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 7/17/2013 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #36
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 7/19/2013 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #37
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 7/23/2013 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #38
Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Jay Carney aboard Air Force One en route to Galesburg, IL, 7/24/13 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #39
ray mcgovern starts out with a fucking lie and goes downhill from there. Cha Jul 2013 #44
You'd think that when the White House says, every frickin day, "The Prez is goin t'Russia for G20" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #45
Certainly not fucking ray mcgovern.. but, that's not how he Cha Jul 2013 #46
Nice! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #40
What would he prefer, dropping bombs? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #43
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