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JoePhilly

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115. CA certainly set the trend on gay marriage.

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:33 PM

Jul 2013

Oh wait. That didn't happen.

And let me get this straight ... your "better candidate" lost in CA. A place where it should be easy finding winning "better" liberal candidates.

btw ... you seem confused.

My point is not that liberal candidates can't win. Or that I don't want them to.

Its that the disgruntled appear to be spending their time complaining about Democrats that are already elected and not finding and BUILDING UP better liberal candidates who would have a chance to win.

And coming up with an anecdote here and there doesn't cut it.

If the disgruntled spent half as much time developing "better candidates", as they do complaining, we'd probably have more liberals in office around the country, now.

And as for the unaffiliated. The mistake you are making is that you assume that they are going to vote with you ... with whatever 3rd party you think will come along at some point.

What's more likely is that the effort from the right and left to get people to hate the government entirely is going to do 2 things.

1) Right wingers will be energized to vote ... and they will vote GOP, period.
2) Members of the left will become frustrated and simply not vote.

The net effect, if there is one, will be to help the GOP hold on and even gain power, even though demographic trends should destroy them.

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I love the new meme: FDR Democrats are hurting the 99% by focusing on Snowden [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 OP

they are creative. They have a new meme almost every day. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #1

flinging shit to see what sticks Skittles Jul 2013 #2

And circular links to back up those new memes within minutes DJ13 Jul 2013 #7

If they spent the weekend coming up with THAT shit, bvar22 Jul 2013 #95

And you can pretty much guess what it will be. zeemike Jul 2013 #22

They are really working hard, but they aren't changing what is wrong. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32

Yes. We know who they really are.......nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #48

gapaw gaphaw Jul 2013 #58

good point! nt AppleBottom Aug 2013 #172

Yet another Snowden centered rant by them LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #125

Snowden obssesed is that anything like being obssesed with civi rights? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #174

The Blue Dogs get their money from the same un named scumbuckets Rain Mcloud Jul 2013 #136

Um....FDR Democrats are the ones that created the NSA. baldguy Jul 2013 #3

But the Third Way told them to spy on all Americans MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #4

+1 Marr Jul 2013 #26

Thank you Manny. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33

Well said, Manny......nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #49

They have not been spying on all Americans treestar Jul 2013 #88

Can you back up your claim that the NSA has NOT been spying on all Americans? bvar22 Jul 2013 #97

Lately, Republicans are very busy destroying themselves Vanje Jul 2013 #131

I'm pretty sure that the thing that makes Republicans objectionable is AppleBottom Aug 2013 #173

Democracy Now says they are. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #175

"spy on all Americans" treestar Aug 2013 #182

He's been spot on. reusrename Jul 2013 #6

And that part about the NSA being able to read people's minds was....? baldguy Jul 2013 #15

Don't tell me something as simple at that is what has you so confused. reusrename Jul 2013 #18

Got a link? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #25

Here ya go! Next to the last paragraph. reusrename Jul 2013 #42

Apparently he is not SUPER ACME Computer guy enough to understand how AJAX works VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #84

WTF are you talking about? NealK Jul 2013 #34

A line from an old WaPo article. reusrename Jul 2013 #43

Well shawn703 Jul 2013 #52

Nothing wrong with giving him a fair trial. reusrename Jul 2013 #86

I hope you feel the same about Clapper and his perjury in front of congress... NT. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #177

FDR Democrats like Demeter Jul 2013 #57

Right. Truman was a DINO. baldguy Jul 2013 #90

And how do you know how many lies Snowden has told? If he didnt tell them to you personally rhett o rick Jul 2013 #121

This aint your Grandpa's NSA. Vanje Jul 2013 #130

This ain't your great-Grandpa's Gestapo, either. baldguy Jul 2013 #148

The administration is not as bad as the Gestapo. Vanje Jul 2013 #149

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #5

Is this another ProSense Jul 2013 #8

Perhaps. Or perhaps one of us is a MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #10

Is that a confession? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #11

LOL nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #13

Why do you think our President is so infallible, in general? He's just a man for God's sake! nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #36

He's not "infallible" and yup, he's "just a man" ProSense Jul 2013 #103

The many-tentacled one has arrived Android3.14 Jul 2013 #135

Actually it is usually not that hard to tell. RC Jul 2013 #21

"Used to be"? It still is left-leaning... nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #38

Left leaning web site? This place was founded in anger over the theft of an election from MADem Jul 2013 #132

Joebituary campaigned for McCain and the lovely Ms Palin in 2008 Fumesucker Jul 2013 #139

He was Al Gore's running mate. The Truth is Out There, over at DU2. MADem Jul 2013 #142

He's a big part of the reason Gore "lost" in 2000 Fumesucker Jul 2013 #143

I am not a fan. That said, there are plenty of people here who WERE fans of the guy AND MADem Jul 2013 #144

If Gore had become Pres in 2000, We could have had this conversation back then. HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #178

We likely wouldn't have had it here. This website came to the fore because of that theft. nt MADem Aug 2013 #179

Manny, Manny, Manny Bragi Jul 2013 #62

LOL Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #92

They will definitely be drummed out of the party pscot Jul 2013 #12

If President O would simply do his job, as promised, vis-a-vis the US Constitution & Bill of Rights 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #23

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #39

Same here. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #108

Me three DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #156

Worth repeating: bvar22 Jul 2013 #117

"divide and conquer post? " NealK Jul 2013 #35

You mean like many of your OPs? Apophis Jul 2013 #101

Does Stephanie Cutter post here? kentuck Jul 2013 #9

That's a creative new way for them to try to stir up the Two Minutes Hate! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #14

I know! Amazing, isn't it? n/m kurtzapril4 Jul 2013 #146

After the DNC puts the Party in the passenger seat of the GOP bus going over the cliff. mick063 Jul 2013 #16

What's funny is they don't even ask nicely at election time. They simply insult, berate, and bully liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #17

+1 Phlem Jul 2013 #122

Its going to be a LOT harder for an unknown... bvar22 Jul 2013 #128

I think you're right MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #163

FDR Democrats would lock Snowden up with the Japanese in one of those fancy internment camps. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #19

Which is much better treatment than my father would have given them. mick063 Jul 2013 #24

Afraid so. So who are the FDR Democrats, Obama or the Purists? freshwest Aug 2013 #167

Damn liberals. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #20

I thought we were still busy smearing civil libertarians? Oh! I mean Paulbots NoOneMan Jul 2013 #27

Rmuse is Third Way? joshcryer Jul 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #54

You who posted this: "The Obama Administration officially supports legal MMJ" Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #85

The Third Way Democrats making that claim are helping the 99% with Dragonfli Jul 2013 #29

+1000! When you say it like that, it's like the nose on your face. reusrename Jul 2013 #44

There's this old saying in the Beltway.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #30

They're getting desperate, aren't they? Your Third Way buddies. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #31

FDR was probably right of Obama on civil liberties... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #37

No one is pretending FDR didn't have flaws. Zorra Jul 2013 #50

You just proved my point... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #118

Sorry, but that's simply unreasonable, irrational bullshit. Zorra Jul 2013 #158

What wiretaps on occupy wall street? treestar Aug 2013 #184

WHAT? The terrorists of today are more dangerous to civilians than the Nazis?!? Zorra Aug 2013 #187

I meant American civilians treestar Aug 2013 #189

Still don't believe terrorists could ever be more dangerous to us than the Nazis. Zorra Aug 2013 #190

Why did the Japanese want to attack us? treestar Aug 2013 #191

Japan was in the throes of RW imperial nationalism and FDR put an oil embargo on Japan. Zorra Aug 2013 #195

+1 JoePhilly Jul 2013 #60

If you are going to hurl 'revisionism' about, look in the mirror. Internment was a great wrong Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #71

German Spies Also 4Q2u2 Jul 2013 #126

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #181

Why do plutocrats put a sweeping, Constitution-assaulting, spying infrastructure into place? woo me with science Jul 2013 #40

power for the sake of power Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #70

I wonder what would happen if the Left just got tired of these attacks from within their sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #41

Yes, and it will happen nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #45

No, I do believe you. We are no longer welcome in the party as it has evolved into the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

I know exactly how I am voting in 2014 nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #73

Go form a third party then treestar Aug 2013 #185

And you prove the point once again. We are going NOWHERE. This is OUR Party sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #192

There is no point in taking over a party treestar Aug 2013 #193

Tell that to the Third Way. They HAVE taken over the party, because we let them. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #194

Isn't that the ultimate goal? Neutralize the Democratic party by driving out traditional Zorra Jul 2013 #63

I definitely think that is the goal. But the question is, if they were to succeed, can they win sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #80

I don't believe that Democrats winning is necessarily a goal Zorra Jul 2013 #99

+100 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #124

What we need is some strong third party candidates to run in big races on IRV as single issue cascadiance Jul 2013 #98

Thank, Manny! This is a perfect example of the massive propaganda effort we are enmeshed in. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #47

As Republicans make millions suffer ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #51

That's it mick063 Jul 2013 #53

DU cir. 2001-2008 was good, and progressive. tridim Jul 2013 #55

You misspelled "authoritarian" n/t Fumesucker Jul 2013 #56

DUZY! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #94

More like "truzy". n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #96

+1 madrchsod Jul 2013 #145

one by one I have put them on Ignore Skittles Aug 2013 #176

+1000 Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #180

FDR Democrats is the name that the Larouchies Gothmog Jul 2013 #59

Um ... The article doesn't use the term "FDR Democrats". JoePhilly Jul 2013 #61

Yes, it is all the left's fault mick063 Jul 2013 #64

That's the difference between us ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #65

I will be focused on defeating plutocracy in every form. mick063 Jul 2013 #66

How you going to do that exactly? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #67

Perhaps the same way that you will be "focusing" mick063 Jul 2013 #69

Apparently, yes. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #76

Nice rant mick063 Jul 2013 #78

And I will STAND with you AND with Harry Truman!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #114

Then we get candidates like my whole delegation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #79

The disgruntled aren't bringing forward better JoePhilly Jul 2013 #111

You are so off it is not even funny nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #113

CA certainly set the trend on gay marriage. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #115

Nah, you seem confused, not me nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #116

I've already elected my preferred candidates to the Congress and will return them next year Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #83

Really ... some districts are different from other districts? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #112

That's the only 'difference between us' in your opinion? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #75

Did I say "only"? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #77

I was about to post basically the same argument Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #137

cool story mick063 Jul 2013 #155

My GOTV chant? Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #161

I will be watching much "poutrage" mick063 Jul 2013 #162

Because we are the anti-republican party Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #68

How is it anti Republican when so many appointees and highly praise political allies are Republicans Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #74

It's the qualifier Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #81

No one will answer that question. We have so many Republicans now in the Democratic sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #82

Yes, it's very funny. You can smell the desperation for a real argument. bemildred Jul 2013 #72

I still maintain you would have been dissatisfied with FDR treestar Jul 2013 #87

Old game - Fun With Framing by Mattel. New game - Reframing: Game of the Year Edition. L0oniX Jul 2013 #89

Now you fancy yourself an FDR Democrat? great white snark Jul 2013 #91

LoL. "THIRD WAY DEMOCRATS"? railsback Jul 2013 #93

Yeah, they dumped the DLC label, once it was documented the KOCH BROTHERS FUNDED IT!!!! cascadiance Jul 2013 #100

I prefer to call them by their real affiliations, myself quakerboy Jul 2013 #141

Third Way Democrats - are they Democrats or are they something else trying to pass as Democrats? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #102

they should be called third input Democrats yurbud Jul 2013 #104

I just call them DINOs. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #105

even DINO is too kind since it could imply an economic progressive/cultural conservative yurbud Jul 2013 #107

I would also propose calling them the Larry Summers or Robert Rubin Democrats yurbud Jul 2013 #106

Are you taking responsibility, Third Way Manny? Fuddnik Jul 2013 #109

What is a Third Way Democrat? GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #110

Basically a Jerry Ford Republican DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #120

Nice analysis. bvar22 Jul 2013 #129

Thanks for the explanation GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #153

+1 Zorra Jul 2013 #157

I want to say you're wrong about Tsongas... MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #164

I meant no disrespect to the late Senator DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #171

It is someone who supports the Democratic Party treestar Aug 2013 #186

A fresh thinker! WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #196

Pot, meet Kettle nilram Jul 2013 #119

Yeah the pathetic desperation by the moderate-right wing of the party Rex Jul 2013 #123

Third way democrats have been studying their karl rove. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #127

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #133

Why are the new left obsessing over Snowden? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #134

Excuse me, but I'm not obsessing over Mr. Snowden Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #138

The 3rd Way is Obsessing over this Generic Other Jul 2013 #140

It's self-indulgent to focus on Snowden at the expense of everything else Politicub Jul 2013 #147

Its self-indulgent to worry about steep erosion of constitutional rights. Vanje Jul 2013 #150

Declaring unbending loyalty to Snowden has become Norquist-esque Politicub Jul 2013 #154

Nope Vanje Jul 2013 #159

"Snowden loyalty oath?" MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #165

Well said. freshwest Aug 2013 #168

Very true..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #170

Snowden's expose's show....... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #151

They don't care about history Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #183

Just disgusting. I'm nauseous just thinking about it. AAO Jul 2013 #152

kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #160

me MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #166

The sad thing is, Manny.....this is actually TRUE, like it or not. From an FDR (social) Democrat. nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #169

People CAN multitask. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #188