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karynnj

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20. Excellent, though religion does not have to be the source of a candidate's morality and/or values,
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:49 PM
Feb 2012

it is better when we don't concede that they are "religious" or even "more religious". Santorum, in his public decisions is at least as much a "cafeteria Catholic" as Kennedy and Kerry were. One major difference is not that their religious values were less important, but that both MA Senators saw a need to make law considering the Constitution first. In MA, a top aide to Kennedy, put out an oped this last weekend that disputed the despicable attempt of Scott Brown to say that his decision to co-sponsor the Blunt amendment following in the footsteps of Kennedy. Here is an exerpt:


While Ted Kennedy was pro-choice in all his policy positions, he really did oppose abortion as a personal matter. Still, he would not permit his own beliefs to dictate the decision made by any individuals. Similarly, he felt that individual physicians, nurses and facilities who delivered medical services should not be compelled to provide services against their religious or moral beliefs. And still, he adamantly protected the right of every individual to get the medical care they wanted for themselves.

By contrast, Scott Brown's legislation would permit any employer and health insurer to deny coverage for any essential or preventive medical service to which they morally object, thus creating a real economic barrier for many individual workers, as well as a host of new ways for employers and health insurers to skirt the consumer protections in the Affordable Care Act. Brown wants to allow powerful employers and insurers to dictate their choices and preferences to individuals.

That is where Brown and Kennedy are worlds apart.

Kennedy's priority always was consistent: protecting the rights of the individual. Brown's priority is the protection of the prerogatives of powerful institutions against the individual.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/02/sen_brownsen_kennedy_the_essen.html

In 2006, Kerry spoke on the impact his faith had on him. One daughter was then at Holy Cross College - the values he spoke of echoed the things we heard at their orientations and a mass. My daughter, a world religion major, later said of the link I sent her that his religious perspective was similar to the Jesuit Catholicism she saw at HC. (link to video - http://www.pepperdine.edu/smedia/asx/seaver/dean/20060921_svr_dean_jkerry.asx) It was interesting to hear things that I remembered from 2004 placed in this context - especially seeing that the "global test" was rather similar to the test of a just war. I actually wonder what would have been the impact of not secularizing and globalizing it without saying that was what it was.

Just as there is no reason to concede patriotism to the republicans, there is no reason to religion - and even more so not to concede values.

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KNR...they need to also stop referring to crazy-ass adulter Callista joeybee12 Feb 2012 #1
maybe that's what's wrong with... la la Feb 2012 #3
Could be... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #6
I hope this goes viral. Excellent...n/t monmouth Feb 2012 #2
WELL SAID! That's what is pissing me off about the bishops now. CurtEastPoint Feb 2012 #4
Absolutely spot-on 100% correct. As a Catholic, I studied the Catechism; the work of King James was WinkyDink Feb 2012 #5
You're correct. Lugnut Feb 2012 #30
Catholics hear the Bible every week at Mass, both the old Testament and the New Testament. pnwmom Feb 2012 #33
Oh, yes. Lugnut Feb 2012 #38
I was raised in the Espiscopal Church. xxqqqzme Feb 2012 #43
I got my first prayer book when I received my first communion. Lugnut Feb 2012 #45
Same here. I was never taught from the bible either. dmr Feb 2012 #44
Isn't that communist family background?? Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #7
On point! Raine Feb 2012 #8
"Devout Catholics follow all the Church’s teachings" - Yeah, THAT is the problem. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #9
How so? boxman15 Feb 2012 #19
because the church is homophobic and sexist. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #21
"The Church has very outdated teachings when it comes to.." cleanhippie Feb 2012 #23
I've always said that the nun who pounded the Works of Mercy into my head dflprincess Feb 2012 #27
The Jesuits finally did it for me. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #36
If you just overlook their anti-woman, anti-gay theology, they're pretty decent folks Hugabear Feb 2012 #46
Santorum is to theology as . . . grantcart Feb 2012 #10
The analogies aren't quite right usrname Feb 2012 #40
I have stated before, these people are not devout. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #11
He has not working class roots, he always mentions his grandfather, never his father. julian09 Feb 2012 #12
His grandfather was a company man I suspect. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #17
Thank you, thank you. I think holy ricky is evangelical and not a catholic. Every thing you said southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #13
BRILLIANT!! Off to bookmarked you go!! K&R!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #14
Great letter. Glad to see religious people distancing themselves from this garbage. cbayer Feb 2012 #15
K&R Segami Feb 2012 #16
I am not Catholic but I loved that letter. I am from Pennsylvania so I know first hand appleannie1 Feb 2012 #18
Excellent, though religion does not have to be the source of a candidate's morality and/or values, karynnj Feb 2012 #20
No! hootinholler Feb 2012 #22
There are two Catholic churches. Peregrine Took Feb 2012 #24
These are the two Catholic churches meow2u3 Feb 2012 #42
Papist heads of state? soryang Feb 2012 #25
Wow. You guys are going to hate me, but devout doesn't mean good. It means dimbear Feb 2012 #26
To be fair, wickerwoman Feb 2012 #32
You forgot the link to the original ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #28
K&R. So true. And has this actually been sent to the Press Corps?! Beartracks Feb 2012 #29
self delete hehe flamingdem Feb 2012 #31
Well said! This is great and spot on :) AllyCat Feb 2012 #34
Practise and Principles ambercolter Feb 2012 #35
ass froth is about as much a devout catholic as I am... Javaman Feb 2012 #37
My favorite line from this article. madmax Feb 2012 #39
Oops. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #41
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