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nolabear

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144. Oh believe me, we know. And in remarkably productive ways sometimes.

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:21 PM

Jul 2013

I don't currently live in the South but was born, bred and raised in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, and have spent beaucoup time and thought on the many ways in which people interact.

The Civil Rights Museums I have been to, and I have been to several, were ALL in the South. The tours, the libraries, the Southern Poverty Law Center, most of the African American universities, the centers and proponents of Southern and African American arts, all of them are in the South (I'll except Chicago). We have thought these thoughts and faced these issues every single day. We fight and cry and live and work in one another's houses. We cook one another's meals and bury one another's dead. We fish and hunt and go to school and live together. Up here in the non-South people very often simply avoid one another while imagining themselves very liberal and well meaning. And I think mostly they are. But Baby, it ain't the same.

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The South Shown in Graphics. [View all] Katashi_itto Jul 2013 OP

We haven't had slavery since 1865 NoPasaran Jul 2013 #1

See that little "1846" header in the little box? Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #4

It means those days were not like today. Lasher Jul 2013 #12

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #17

and Jim Crow? CreekDog Jul 2013 #152

lol, my god people Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #71

And you still can't spit without spattering a Klan Flag. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #9

Bullshit. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #10

I do not think it was literal. Just that maybe the south has more klan flags. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #15

You have no idea what you're talking about. You did make yourself out to cordelia Jul 2013 #14

Really? This exists nowhere in the south? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #41

I would think the racism would lessen each generation rightsideout Jul 2013 #52

Arkansas' flag is not a Confederate flag HoneychildMooseMoss Jul 2013 #149

I live in the south. I see no problem with what that poster said. loudsue Jul 2013 #73

Yes ma'am, that is mighty true. Hoyt Jul 2013 #85

Nope. cordelia Jul 2013 #108

Don't know where you've been in south, but I think you have blinders on. Hoyt Jul 2013 #109

Must be the same ones I have on. Fawke Em Jul 2013 #113

Seems I get out and about considerably more than you do. cordelia Jul 2013 #155

Doesn't sound like it. Hoyt Jul 2013 #159

And LWolf Jul 2013 #142

Yep. bunnies Jul 2013 #147

(Pssssst) I hear spitting is much more rewarding when you do it INTO the wind... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #19

Ha! zappaman Jul 2013 #25

I did it while riding my bike, and was not quite as lucky... n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #27

What is a Klan flag? Go Vols Jul 2013 #61

ohhh, stfu Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #72

Legalized slavery adieu Jul 2013 #66

One could argue that... Pelican Jul 2013 #78

Well isn't that clever. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #93

Except when they're not. Heywood J Jul 2013 #95

It's adorable... Pelican Jul 2013 #97

Goodbye. Heywood J Jul 2013 #148

There are more slaves in the US today than in 1860 Recursion Jul 2013 #123

Hey Katashi_itto sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #2

I wish I knew. It was shared with me on Facebook Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #5

Life Magazine has 20 photos here. mia Jul 2013 #63

Very interesting. silverweb Jul 2013 #3

I'm looking, someone shared it with me on FB Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #6

OK. silverweb Jul 2013 #7

Thanks. K&R MuseRider Jul 2013 #8

Multiple sources. silverweb Jul 2013 #24

Thank you so much! MuseRider Jul 2013 #31

Here's one. Source U.S. Census data. silverweb Jul 2013 #11

Another. Source: Religious Congregations & Memberships silverweb Jul 2013 #13

The map included in this post for protestantism is actually EVANGELICAL protestantism HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #91

A more constructive approach to the data. Thanks. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #102

Poverty. Source: Centers for Disease Control. silverweb Jul 2013 #16

This doesn't appear to be from the CDC. Poverty on their map is quite a bit more widespread, jtuck004 Jul 2013 #74

Thank you for researching and finding the accurate map. kentauros Jul 2013 #99

Not a biggie, but if people get a wrong picture, it affects how they think about the problems that jtuck004 Jul 2013 #111

Yes, good (and relatively unbiased) information is best. kentauros Jul 2013 #112

"relatively unbiased" <- good point jtuck004 Jul 2013 #130

I used the word "relatively" because nothing is truly unbiased. kentauros Jul 2013 #134

I strongly agree with your first point, and I will watch for the other. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #136

Diabetes. Source: Centers for Disease Control. silverweb Jul 2013 #18

Child maltreatment deaths. silverweb Jul 2013 #20

Awesome! Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #21

It's interesting. silverweb Jul 2013 #23

Found the protestant map NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #56

A misleading attack on a quarter of the country. Should be hidden. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #22

No, Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #26

Wow. Have you ever been to the South? n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #28

I have. They deserve the reputation. There are many kind, well educated Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #30

I live here. And the South-bashing is bs. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #36

Well said. rrneck Jul 2013 #80

I live here too, and I can tell you that there is a lot of room for improvement and criticism. Hoyt Jul 2013 #86

Having lived there won't help you judge, and may make it harder. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #132

The electoral map is utterly worthless. kentauros Jul 2013 #98

Looks like it's the same all over: Fawke Em Jul 2013 #115

"Urban vs. rural" is a more appropriate assessment. kentauros Jul 2013 #122

This is why, as a Southerner, I have no problem with this OP. Raffi Ella Jul 2013 #127

The problem is, the OP has questionable "facts" in it, and no commentary about posting-intent. kentauros Jul 2013 #133

kentauros, is it not true that the South - Raffi Ella Jul 2013 #135

It is South-bashing because of how it's presented. kentauros Jul 2013 #137

It's not erroneous, though. Raffi Ella Jul 2013 #160

South bashing. n/t cordelia Jul 2013 #157

that's a great map and tells the truth in a more nuanced way nt steve2470 Jul 2013 #162

I have...I've been to every part of the country Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #34

I surmise then, based on your penchant for Fawke Em Jul 2013 #116

We definitely have more bleach-blondes with modified boobs than other parts of the country Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #121

Also used to lead the country in modified cars, too. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #140

Umm...I live in New Orleans, does that count? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #42

Yes. I live in Charleston. I still think your thread is bullshit. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #45

Absolutely... Pelican Jul 2013 #79

All you gotta do is look at your government representatives to get a good idea of the electorate. Hoyt Jul 2013 #87

Charleston City...is a place of it's own culture.. KoKo Jul 2013 #104

Did you by chance to a search for "African American map"? napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #40

You do realize that African Americans were not willing participants in the Slavery issue, right? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #44

You do realize that's irrelavant right? napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #51

Or look at it from the position that these factors contribute to the contribution of contininued Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #53

If you're talking against Southern State policies, I totally agree. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #55

Do those "links" include black citizens in, say, Mississippi? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #103

You are wrong. Low education and lots of religion = obesity, disease, and racial intolerance Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #29

Oh, yeah, ok, I'm rude. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #32

Yeah sorry to say, you are. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Skip Intro Jul 2013 #47

Conservative religious institutions breed conservative voters which breed conservative policies NuclearDem Jul 2013 #37

5 to 1 to leave this post standing. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #43

And they wonder why the South is red? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #48

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #49

Clearly, we could never scale the heights of your intelligence... Skip Intro Jul 2013 #54

In NOLA? You mean this enclave of Filmmakers, Artists, Musicians, Actors, philosphers, thinkers, Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #59

That is good to know! n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #60

I think so. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #62

Yes Katashi, we're *all* dumasses down here. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #57

Yes it's terrible. As I live in New Orleans I have the same view. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #88

Doubtful. Fawke Em Jul 2013 #119

Amazing how people ferret out one or two examples and then try to graft that onto something else Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #120

They are factual and independent maps. Where is the misleading? morningfog Jul 2013 #126

Ah yes, nothing like a little Northern Superiority to liven things up. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #33

The states that are roughly in that bottom right quadrant also went for GOP in most presidential Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #35

OP lives in Louisiana. intheflow Jul 2013 #65

Meh. Doesn't make them not a yankee. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #84

But North bashin' is just fine. intheflow Jul 2013 #92

Care to show us an example? cordelia Jul 2013 #107

The post I replied to talked about intheflow Jul 2013 #151

Just the one? Thought so. cordelia Jul 2013 #154

So what? cordelia Jul 2013 #106

The post I replied to accused the OP of have "Northern superiority." intheflow Jul 2013 #150

My dog in this fight is I hate bigotry in all its ugly forms. cordelia Jul 2013 #156

You're projecting onto me. intheflow Jul 2013 #161

The OP states FACTS about how certain matters correlate. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #69

Bright side, this thread is struggling for recs! I Love DU! n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #38

I haven't been able to say I love, or even like DU in a very long time. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #39

My Facebook "unfriend" map looks similar rightsideout Jul 2013 #50

Evangelical Protestant map NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #58

what an amazing discovery you've made d_r Jul 2013 #64

That you can count? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #67

that you found the sweet tea line d_r Jul 2013 #68

LOL! Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #105

+1 Go Vols Jul 2013 #139

Other than "Protestants", you could find a lot of that in Chicago. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #70

Mind if I add a twist to the "racism in the South" thing? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #75

I had a similar experience, as a Californian who lived 8 years in Louisiana petronius Jul 2013 #77

I think you expressed this very well, petronius... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #90

Like we don't know all this already DFW Jul 2013 #76

Thank you for this post. nt ncgrits Jul 2013 #110

I have to take and say the poverty map is bs Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #81

Wow. Look at all those Buckeyes and Hoosiers... The Midway Rebel Jul 2013 #82

Interesting maps but why do they look like that? rrneck Jul 2013 #83

This means nothing Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #89

You got your South bashing thread. Obviously what you were after. cordelia Jul 2013 #94

What you read into it is colored by your own perceptions. I view the facts Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #96

Misleading. Here's why. mathematic Jul 2013 #100

Link to where you found them? Faux pas Jul 2013 #101

Census Data sikofit3 Jul 2013 #124

Thank you, eye opening stuff, for sure! Faux pas Jul 2013 #153

What is the point here? What does it help other than a sense of superiority? nolabear Jul 2013 #114

Where have I said anything bad about the south? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #117

It doesn't matter what you think you state in your OP. kentauros Jul 2013 #125

sounds good Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #128

Posting the data invites opinions. There are many things you could have chosen to post. nolabear Jul 2013 #143

Post #49 Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #163

I think the most telling (and among my favorite) graphics of the south would be... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #118

Nice photo! It looks like an HDR manip, kentauros Jul 2013 #138

Where's the graphic for most educated Enlightenment thinkers? (Jefferson, Madison, Mason..etc.) GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #129

Virginia is #6 best-educated, #8 in per capita income, #1 in black/white interracial marriage carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #146

You, shown in graphics Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #131

Reading this thread brindis_desala Jul 2013 #141

Oh believe me, we know. And in remarkably productive ways sometimes. nolabear Jul 2013 #144

If you're looking for a "war map" don't lump Virginia and Florida into the irredeemably Republican carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #145

It's a map that shows who won reconstruction. n/t cynatnite Jul 2013 #158