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TheKentuckian

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228. I don't believe China has any legitimate right to my communications so I don't believe we

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:59 PM

Jul 2013

have any right to be combing through their private communications either.

Clandestine operations against another GOVERNMENT is one thing, treating the private citizens of the world as suspects without specific and articulable cause is a horse of a different color.

The exception you espouse would mean there would be no way to really deal with even our domestic communications securely because all we'd have to do is have an ally do the snooping. We could try to button this up legislatively but the extreme secrecy and inability of Congress to force another country to to testify honestly or provide effective oversight, making the whole deal an uncheckable farce.

My best recommendation is requiring an individualized warrant to touch any personal communication.

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The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.* [View all] woo me with science Jul 2013 OP

+1000 notadmblnd Jul 2013 #1

+1000^1000 bananas Jul 2013 #169

Chomsky Says Young People Don't Care About Surveillance -- Is He Right? ProSense Jul 2013 #2

Surprising you showed up here to address propaganda. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #7

Which part is "propaganda"? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #12

Which part is "propaganda"? n/ Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #37

+10000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #213

The part where his worldview was contradicted WatermelonRat Jul 2013 #231

Wait a minute, didn't you just do jazzimov Jul 2013 #23

The links she posts are to HER OWN POSTS. JimDandy Jul 2013 #34

The first link is to someone else's post, ProSense Jul 2013 #38

And the second link is to one of your posts. NealK Jul 2013 #70

Not to wade into this too much Peacetrain Jul 2013 #81

I don't click on her links which I have told her many times Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #91

I agree with you-- engage in the thread you're in. Marr Jul 2013 #138

ProSense "backed up" her own post here... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #153

You're completely wrong in assessing what you are clearly seeing. reusrename Jul 2013 #173

The only links I've ever seen her post are links to her OWN posts. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #175

And here you are! We will not allow discussion of the spying and lying to be shut down. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #24

Equal blame ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #100

Neither of the links you provide... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #151

"Always rising to absolve Republicans of any blame" NuclearDem Jul 2013 #180

You just demonstrated the OP's point as no one else could. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #181

+1 nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #242

K&R Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #3

Yep get the red out Jul 2013 #4

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #5

Yes, don't respond to them. n/t LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #8

That is exactly the best way to handle it. Don't feed it or try to reason with it by kicking sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13

Shh, new ideas they don't need nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #14

Old habits die hard, as they have proven over and over, throughout the years. Not much sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

+1,000,000 n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #53

That is exactly right. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #93

If you don't debate and engage, by definition you form your own echo chamber. randome Jul 2013 #94

I wish they'd put people on ignore, rather than just claiming they do and then attacking other DUers Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #191

Debate on DU -like Democracy itself- is a messy process. randome Jul 2013 #193

More and more, I am thinking that you are absolutely right. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #97

I just posted something similar in another thread Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #6

K&R. This thread has already touched a nerve I see. Good OP. nt stillwaiting Jul 2013 #9

Yup. Anti Obama liberals better start a secret Google group Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #10

Feel free to abstain from posting in the thread if you feel it is pointless. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #17

Isn't that limiting discussion? jazzimov Jul 2013 #27

Of course not. If the poster has some points to contribute Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #82

No. I want my opinion heard that this is a ridiculous direction to go at DU Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #28

Blind loyalty is the wrong direction to go. It's not Democratic. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #177

i've noticed you take issue with this line of discussion. "pointless" you say. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #29

I notice that many of the articles I read the first comment is weight-loss spam Generic Other Jul 2013 #44

maybe looking for a % of trustable social media interactions is the wrong metric nashville_brook Jul 2013 #48

I just wondered if anyone knew how many people are actively engaged Generic Other Jul 2013 #55

social media "optimization" is being used every PR campaign nashville_brook Jul 2013 #60

Seems like they should have their own agency then Generic Other Jul 2013 #62

Almost certainly, I worked for a small internet provider and part of my day was spent TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #117

Pres Obama embraces the Patriot Act and domestic spying. I am anti Patriot Act. I assume you are pro rhett o rick Jul 2013 #176

To assume that someone holds equal and opposite positions from you... Blanks Aug 2013 #245

Spot on! PsyOps Writ Large. or rather Posted Large. Divernan Jul 2013 #11

I gotta admit the signal to noise ratio here in GD is pathetic these days Fumesucker Jul 2013 #15

What's the frequency, Kenneth? Generic Other Jul 2013 #45

Look at what they are accomplishing more broadly, and this fits right in. woo me with science Jul 2013 #163

precisely -- so glad the jury system here seems to be holding up! nashville_brook Jul 2013 #16

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.): snot Jul 2013 #18

Read a little, it's like reading "The Screwtape Letters" rwsanders Jul 2013 #51

very informative link. thanks. bbgrunt Jul 2013 #52

Sounded like Barney Fife wrote it Generic Other Jul 2013 #66

Thanks for the link, bookmarked for later ... sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #141

Absolutely Essential Link to Read! NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #152

Excellent. I just bookkmarked it. It's invaluable Catherina Jul 2013 #215

They've been on DU for many years now Gman Jul 2013 #19

Yes, collective action is alwasy to be stopped, but better yet, prevented. nt PETRUS Jul 2013 #20

K&R It is happening here for sure. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #21

You mean like the posts on Greenwald and Snowden? Th1onein Jul 2013 #132

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #22

Which explains several nonsensical arguments Fearless Jul 2013 #25

Did you think of this yourself? caseymoz Jul 2013 #26

uh oh, my bad hfojvt Jul 2013 #32

You should start drinking after five a.m. caseymoz Jul 2013 #147

See, e.g., this: snot Jul 2013 #36