The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*

[TheKentuckian]

233. No randome , it is YOU AND YOURS that have the burden of proof because you are making the

extraordinary claim.

You are asserting that a secret dragnet surveillance programs, secret courts, and largely unchecked power with absolutely no public oversight are not being abused and have little to no danger of being abused.

All similar programs have been abused throughout history.

The track record for these efforts isn't encouraging and the fact that you are demanding evidence from the wrong party anyway, those running and potentially benefiting secret programs both have uncontested access to all evidence and the burden to demonstrate they aren't abusing it as human history surely indicates.

If you want evidence demand it from the government, they are the gatekeepers and are asserting legality and compliance with the constitution.

Employing these tactics means the it must be the state who is guilty until proven innocent.