The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*

[TheKentuckian]

237. This effort has been going on for decades, it is Turd Way SOP.

The entire concept is to shift the spectrum to the corporate right and cut off and/or redirect dissent and as much as possible representation from the left save a few weak tokens to provide the color of legitimacy.

You might have an argument if you limited your case to this site (I don't think a particularly strong one, but it would be one of some caliber) but this site is just another form of mass media and just another location for Democratic debate and the Turd Way in all of its incarnations, especially the DLC, is OPENLY dedicated to just the kind of message discipline that I describe.

I'd consider a carve out for Obama if I thought the situation might call for one but it is clear as day it doesn't Al Queada in no serious way poses an existential threat to the United States. If you want to sound stupid then start comparing the current band of dirt farmers pounded by about two decades by the Soviets that are trained and organized mostly due to our own influence and efforts as part of a proxy rebellion to the Axis powers.

Or if you want to look goofy but not batshit insane you can pretend the fear and animosity of the Japanese at the time is not orders of magnitude greater than the job done on the Japanese, an imprint still easily seen generations later that clearly permeated the American culture from word of mouth from those who lived the times, movies, and cartoons. There is nothing like even Merry Melodies treatment of the Japanese people today.

Of course then there is the fact that Japan is a country and folks can be loyal to nations and that we were actually in a declared war with that country, so I think that is a big difference.

We are also in the 21st century with a lot of water under the bridge with a pretty different world view. We aren't as cavalier in general with non-white lives, there has been many decades of progress made in how we look at each other. We are not a country fresh off massacring the natives and slavery, using Asian folks as de facto slaves

I see nothing to suggest a FDR at this point in time would resort to internment camps and just as crucially can imagine a WWII era Obama doing the same or worse based on how he is reacting to a comparatively non-existent threat with the benefit of a worldly upbringing, diverse personal heritage, and the progress of about eight decades.

I see no case Obama deserves any consideration available in the present day. Perhaps in hindsight people in the future will have to consider that we today are not as far along developmentally as they are now and will cut some slack but I evaluate Obama against the expectations of today and I feel he disappoints but you are free to make a convincing argument.

You want to judge FDR by present morality and with hindsight and Obama by the lines of yesteryear then let's guess how Obama's action will be viewed in 80 years, according to those mores. Hard to say now of course but chances are it won't be sunshine and rainbows and still will be virtually no contrast of relative threats.