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Showing Original Post only (View all)In 2005, Greenwald defended Tancredo against those calling him out for his racist views. [View all]
The interesting thing is that in the preface to his book, Greenwald explained why he dropped support of the Iraq war (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023362984) and turned against Bush. Here he mentions launching his blog.
In October 2005, I started my own blog, and chose as its name "Unclaimed Territory"a declaration that my particular political passion has no grounding in any partisan loyalties or ideologies. Instead, my passion emanates almost entirely from a fervent and deeply held belief in the supremacy of our constitutional principles and the corresponding duty of every American citizen to defend these liberties when they are under assault. Although I lacked any specific plan, I created my blog with the goal of finding a way to discuss and publicize just how radical and extreme the Bush administration had become. My blog quickly grew far beyond anything I imagined, with a daily readership of 10,000 within three months.
http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
The following two months he posted his views on "illegal" immigration and his defense of Tancredo.
Saturday, November 19, 2005
The GOP fights itself on Illegal Immigration
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The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.
A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nations immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its guest worker program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
GOP inaction when it comes to illegal immigration is at once mystifying and easily explainable. There is a wing of the party the Wall St. Journal/multinational corporation wing which loves illegal immigration because of its use as a source of cheap labor. And while that wing of the party is important because of the financial support it provides, it is a distinct minority when it comes to electoral power.
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But one of the most disturbing and destructive aspects of illegal immigration is that it is illegal. Indeed, that is the precise attribute which separates good immigration from bad immigration. Why should Republicans, or anyone, shy away from pointing out that illegal immigration, among its many evils, is illegal? That is just absurd. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that illegal immigrants enter the country illegally that spawns justifiable resentment, not only among large clusters of middle-of-the-road voters, but also among the very legal immigrant population about which Sanchez is so concerned. Emphasizing the "illegal" part of this problem is what Republicans need to do more of, not less.
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html
The GOP fights itself on Illegal Immigration
<...>
The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.
A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nations immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its guest worker program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
GOP inaction when it comes to illegal immigration is at once mystifying and easily explainable. There is a wing of the party the Wall St. Journal/multinational corporation wing which loves illegal immigration because of its use as a source of cheap labor. And while that wing of the party is important because of the financial support it provides, it is a distinct minority when it comes to electoral power.
<...>
But one of the most disturbing and destructive aspects of illegal immigration is that it is illegal. Indeed, that is the precise attribute which separates good immigration from bad immigration. Why should Republicans, or anyone, shy away from pointing out that illegal immigration, among its many evils, is illegal? That is just absurd. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that illegal immigrants enter the country illegally that spawns justifiable resentment, not only among large clusters of middle-of-the-road voters, but also among the very legal immigrant population about which Sanchez is so concerned. Emphasizing the "illegal" part of this problem is what Republicans need to do more of, not less.
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html
Saturday, December 03, 2005
Yelling "racist" as an "argument" in the immigration debate
All in a single one-line post, Oliver Willis manages to perfectly illustrate the cheapest, most intellectually dishonest -- and, for those who wield it in the immigration debate, the most self-destructive -- form of argumentation.
Willis references a post by Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly, which quotes a letter from anti-illegal-immigration Congressman Tom Tancredo to his supporters in which Rep. Tancredo asks for help in what Tancredo calls the "struggle to preserve our national identity against the tide of illegal immigrants flooding the United States." In response to Tancredos letter, Willis snidely writes:
So, theres Willis' self-satisfied decree, in its vapid entirety. According to Willis (and many of Drum's commentators, if not Drum himself), anyone who believes that its important for a nation to be comprised of citizens who have at least some joint national allegiance and a minimal common foundation -- never mind a common language in which they can communicate with one another -- is a White Supremacist bigot.
Leave aside the political stupidity of labeling as bigots and racists a huge portion of the electorate which is becoming increasingly concerned about illegal immigration and which agrees with Tancredos sentiments. More important than the political self-destruction, Willis cheap name-calling -- a crude tactic wielded by many like him -- is substantively vacuous.
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html
Yelling "racist" as an "argument" in the immigration debate
All in a single one-line post, Oliver Willis manages to perfectly illustrate the cheapest, most intellectually dishonest -- and, for those who wield it in the immigration debate, the most self-destructive -- form of argumentation.
Willis references a post by Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly, which quotes a letter from anti-illegal-immigration Congressman Tom Tancredo to his supporters in which Rep. Tancredo asks for help in what Tancredo calls the "struggle to preserve our national identity against the tide of illegal immigrants flooding the United States." In response to Tancredos letter, Willis snidely writes:
Hey, Tom Tancredo . . . Just say "white power" and get it off your chest.
So, theres Willis' self-satisfied decree, in its vapid entirety. According to Willis (and many of Drum's commentators, if not Drum himself), anyone who believes that its important for a nation to be comprised of citizens who have at least some joint national allegiance and a minimal common foundation -- never mind a common language in which they can communicate with one another -- is a White Supremacist bigot.
Leave aside the political stupidity of labeling as bigots and racists a huge portion of the electorate which is becoming increasingly concerned about illegal immigration and which agrees with Tancredos sentiments. More important than the political self-destruction, Willis cheap name-calling -- a crude tactic wielded by many like him -- is substantively vacuous.
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html
Tancredo was and still is a racist.
Former Congressman Tancredo to Address White Supremacists
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/19/former-congressman-tancredo-to-address-white-supremacists/
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In 2005, Greenwald defended Tancredo against those calling him out for his racist views. [View all]
ProSense
Jul 2013
OP
I've heard republicans call the left wing 'ratfuckers' but never a Democrat.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#14
Bush WAS spying illegally, Congress institutionalized the program in 2006. You're upset that
blm
Jul 2013
#153
No, it IS killing the messenger. Really it is. Every day, all hours of the day. nt
Mojorabbit
Jul 2013
#62
If Greenwald defended Tom fucking Tancredo, I'd say that's GREAT cause for concern.
Arkana
Jul 2013
#132
No, but I'd wonder what Bush's motives were since I don't trust him given his past.
Arkana
Jul 2013
#149
It's not like I'm a Democratic politician, say Biden or Clinton, who has to watch what I say.
ProSense
Jul 2013
#7
They agree with what he used to believe, while you are still using their tactics.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#55
And what exactly does this have to do with whether GG is right or wrong about the NSA?
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#16
If you didn't have a history of digging up dirt on Snowden and Greenwald, I might believe that.
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#28
That's why I said "someone," and thanks for acknowledging that you made the point. n/t
ProSense
Jul 2013
#120
Have you considered that Republicans are obstructionists and Obama doesn't control congress?
cui bono
Jul 2013
#32
A good point, unfortunately one that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#34
Don't feel too bad. Unfortunately these days it really is hard to tell what is sarcasm
cui bono
Jul 2013
#46
I'm starting to think that protecting Obama has little to do with these threads.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#29
Believe me, there's nothing I'd like better than to keep this thread kicked.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#49
Also exposes Greenwald defense of a racist and his appalling views on "illegal immigration." n/t
ProSense
Jul 2013
#61
And the fact that your post is exactly what the Chamber of Commerce wants to see.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#63
You're the one insisting you know their opinions. I have no idea, and don't care, n/t
ProSense
Jul 2013
#82
No, you keep telling me about the CoC's opinions. I assume you know what you're talking about.
ProSense
Jul 2013
#86
Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. It's called being informed of the issues.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#87
You're probably really knowledgeable about free speech and opinions too, right?
ProSense
Jul 2013
#89
Seriously? I'm trying to avoid taking sides, but you guys are seeing informants in your soup.
Arkana
Jul 2013
#134
the Obama administration is doing a fine job of making itself look bad lately
grasswire
Jul 2013
#84
The more I read about Greenwald, the more I really think he's nothing more than a racist Republican
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2013
#50
So you linked to Greenwald when he posted conservative crap but don't now that he doesn't?
last1standing
Jul 2013
#53
Maybe you should read his intro to that column where he talks about his changing beliefs.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#57
I'm sorry, but I just can't find it in me to even take this guy seriously any more.
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2013
#60
How do you keep being wrong and missing the point of everything post after post,
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2013
#88
Do you think Tancredo is a racist? Do you agree with Greenwald on "illegal" immigration?
ProSense
Jul 2013
#94
Why are you asserting I don't like the OP because it's critical of Greenwald?
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#98
Nope. I have no opinion on 90% of the crap you post since most of what you write
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2013
#97