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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
93. Okay ...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jul 2013

So you want me to research your claim? Gotcha.

Yet your first retort said "the vast majority of Americans are no worse off, if not better off,". That is demonstrably untrue, yet there didn't even seem to be the slightest effort to go look at the front page, or that article.


You do realize the front page changes hourly, right? So rather than point me to what you claim, you want me to hunt and peck and hope that I find the article that you are referring to? Gotcha!

Yet your first retort said "the vast majority of Americans are no worse off, if not better off,". That is demonstrably untrue, yet there didn't even seem to be the slightest effort to go look at the front page, or that article. It's not like it's the only article of it's kind out there, with substantial sources that provide trustworthy data. Or one could just look around, and wonder why, if we are doing better, whole cities are filing bankruptcy, half of all graduates aren't getting jobs, home ownership has declined to the level of last seen in 1997 while our population has increased dramatically since that year, and our U6 unemployment rate went from 13.8 to 14.3 in a month partly because so many people have no place to even apply, much less work, partly because we are replacing full-time jobs with part-time McJobs, according to the BLS reports. I talk to a lot of people in my circles, and even the least political and astute see it, yet here you are, a smart fella, and you say it isn't happening, or don't already know.


I stand by that claim, as reported by Krugman and others. I did not say all are doing better, I said: "the vast majority of Americans are no worse off, if not better off" and that is what economists have asserted. Absent information to the contrary, that refutes Krugman's claims ... I'm gonna go with the Nobel Prize winner, as opposed to your circle of friends.

I concluded that the reply was similar to a previous reply from you to me, so I lost interest. Some may enjoy that sort of thing, but, to me, it's an inflexible position that's not very interesting or helpful. After all. once someone has heard it, what's the point in hearing it again? It's like a scratched record, playing the same note again, and again, and again.


So you lose interest in someone asking you to support your argument ... because the support for your argument was on the ever changing front page of DU? Gotcha!

It's because of that I don't reply to much that you post. I made an exception because of that comment about him needing to be a dictator. He put himself in this box with his own decisions, a position he didn't need to be in, and rather than fix it I hear a lot of excuses and finger-pointing wherein Democrats seem to suggest that Obama can't stand up for himself, that he is unable to bear responsibility for his decisions, that everything happens which is good is his, and everything bad is someone else. That sort of thing, to me, makes someone sound as capable as a bowl of jelly. I think their position is disrespectful. It also keeps things from getting fixed.


So when are YOU gonna run for office ... The country can certainly use your expertise and legislative prowess.

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K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #1
Sad, but true Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #2
So what ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #3
Well, we're clearly a police state... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #6
Funny how that works though. zeemike Jul 2013 #8
+1 Phlem Jul 2013 #12
GOP majorities. How hard is that to comprehend Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #14
And yet the GOP minority rules the senate. zeemike Jul 2013 #16
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #19
When it came to the war machine, the Repubs were never in the minority Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #21
I select ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #27
The Dems had the majority up until 2002 in the Senate fujiyama Jul 2013 #22
We know how Bush did it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #26
Well I suggest to you that they do zeemike Jul 2013 #32
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #36
Well there is only one way to deal with that zeemike Jul 2013 #39
I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #66
point number 2 arely staircase Jul 2013 #77
my point exactly. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #79
He also got his pals in the mideast to fly airliners into our tallest buildings KansDem Jul 2013 #29
Maybe that's because Democrats in the bush years EC Jul 2013 #42
Ask Bush how he did it? Maybe he already did. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #59
yeah there's this thing about not becoming your enemy or something pasto76 Jul 2013 #60
I don't think Phlem Jul 2013 #15
I heaven05 Jul 2013 #52
Im your neighbor in that community pasto76 Jul 2013 #61
Police states are more sophisticated sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #65
Yeah, I thought the bully pulpit was the solution? treestar Jul 2013 #46
How long a list would convince you? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #53
I would settle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #69
Only one? Get guarantees and demand specific performance from the TBTF investment houses Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #82
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #85
Well you only asked for one, so we're already there. Now, to the crux of this biscuit. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #86
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #87
Yes, and I along with a whole lot of people with two things in common agree. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #88
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #90
You have a degree in economics but never heard anything about the consequences Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #96
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #97
Funny, I agree with you. Sort of. He might have to be a dictator now. But it didn't jtuck004 Jul 2013 #63
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #70
I think such a viewpoint ignores the documented reality of tens of millions of jtuck004 Jul 2013 #71
Ignores what? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #72
Good one. LOL. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #73
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #74
Sometimes people can appear deliberately obtuse. I guess that's their angle. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #75
And other times ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #78
My other post pointed to an article that said people are worse off. It spent the whole day on the jtuck004 Jul 2013 #80
So, let me see if I have this correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #84
You're a smart fella, and I am guessing your clicky-finger isn't broken. I jtuck004 Jul 2013 #89
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #93
K&R midnight Jul 2013 #4
Praise be to Cheeto Boehner! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #5
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #7
Stupid Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9
Yup BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #11
Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #30
They want BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #34
That's rich! Good post. juajen Jul 2013 #41
+1 treestar Jul 2013 #50
He's four and a half years too late for the bully pulpit. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #92
So what does he do now? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #94
It's too late. Republicans have him by the nuts. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #95
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #10
Wow. Why doesn't Obama wave his magic wand? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #13
Detroit built the Great American Middle Class. Octafish Jul 2013 #17
So did the rest of us treestar Jul 2013 #49
. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #91
That's really dumb. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #18
It is truly stunning that a person who will surely protest of being among the best bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20
Question for you n2doc? sheshe2 Jul 2013 #23
I don't do binary thinking n2doc Jul 2013 #33
"What HAS Obama done to help Detroit?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #35
Let's see...when Obama was campaigning LAST YEAR n2doc Jul 2013 #40
I don't think Obama had much EC Jul 2013 #48
Of COURSE IT IS OBAMA'S FAULT!!!1111!!!111!1! HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!111!1!!!! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #57
WTF is this about "way after"? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #56
In 1975, President Gerald Ford extended a multi-billion dollar loan package to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #81
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24
Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #25
some Op's are too stupid to respond to..... chillfactor Jul 2013 #28
And some responders are too lame... 99Forever Jul 2013 #31
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #37
It's not a "random post on an anonymous message board..." RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #43
I was referring to the post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #67
Careful, or he might yell in your ear so loudly that you'll go deaf. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #45
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #68
Ow. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #38
Great political cartoon. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #44
So the President is supposed to create a perfect world? treestar Jul 2013 #47
So Obama caused the problems in Detroit? devilgrrl Jul 2013 #51
The House of Representatives, on the other hand, is actively making things worse. another_liberal Jul 2013 #54
Maybe it would help if Obama would not sign any more let's-send-jobs-to-foreign-countries free-trade AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #55
Yeah that will fix everything JEB Jul 2013 #58
I agree that the President did not cause Detroit's problems. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #62
This 'cartoon' is pure freeper crap. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #64
I am surprised the NYT is even aware Detroit exists BlueStreak Jul 2013 #76
The non-defense mounted here is just fucking hilarious. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #83
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