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In reply to the discussion: EUGENE ROBINSON: America Should Thank Snowden For Revealing NSA Snooping [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)90. It does not matter what Snowden's or Greenwald's political views are.
That is totally immaterial. It is doubtful either are DU'ers either, so why would it matter?
What does matter is what they did. They brought to everyone attention, i.e., the world, what our government is doing on a very large scale, in secret. Collecting our meta data, Internet, E-mails, and phone calls and storing them in a huge data base for later combing through, looking for who know what.
Snowden and Greenwald are believed over everyone else because what they say checks out. Unlike our own government, they are telling the truth. Remember the least untruthful statement in front the Senate Intelligence Committee, on March 12, 2013?
Clapper indicated that he skated close to the line.
In an interview with NBCs Andrea Mitchell, he said that I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner, by saying no, though he also called his answer too cute by half. He indicated that his response to Wyden turned on a definition of collect: There are honest differences on the semantics of what -- when someone says collection to me, that has a specific meaning, which may have a different meaning to him.
One wonders why Clapper or his staff did not seek a clarification, given the apparent heads up by Wyden. Clapper apparently thinks the NSA collects only on specific targets what he called, in the interview with NBC, taking the book off the shelf and opening it up and reading it. But that is a rather slippery answer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/james-clappers-least-untruthful-statement-to-the-senate/2013/06/11/e50677a8-d2d8-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_blog.html
In an interview with NBCs Andrea Mitchell, he said that I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner, by saying no, though he also called his answer too cute by half. He indicated that his response to Wyden turned on a definition of collect: There are honest differences on the semantics of what -- when someone says collection to me, that has a specific meaning, which may have a different meaning to him.
One wonders why Clapper or his staff did not seek a clarification, given the apparent heads up by Wyden. Clapper apparently thinks the NSA collects only on specific targets what he called, in the interview with NBC, taking the book off the shelf and opening it up and reading it. But that is a rather slippery answer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/james-clappers-least-untruthful-statement-to-the-senate/2013/06/11/e50677a8-d2d8-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_blog.html
All the NSA needs to do is in type in a name, IP address, phone number and all the information they have hoovered up concerning the search terms comes up on the screen. A few more key clicks and they can listen to the phone calls, or read the E-mails. That is what Snowden exposed.
If Snowden had little to nothing, then why does our government want him so bad? They want him so bad precisely because he has some very damning and embarrassing information, taken from the inside. Our government wants him so they can make an example of him, as they did Manning.
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EUGENE ROBINSON: America Should Thank Snowden For Revealing NSA Snooping [View all]
Purveyor
Jul 2013
OP
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#97
Not to worry, we have a new system now to make legal anything ILLEGAL they do.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#137
What evidence did S&G provide that shows the NSA operating illegally or abusively?
randome
Jul 2013
#4
Why do you need that info, or even care, since you're obviously OK with spying on Americans? nt
NorthCarolina
Jul 2013
#114
I'll show the acceptable amount of outrage once someone shows me the evidence.
randome
Jul 2013
#115
If you are in grammar school, and unable to read adult news reports, I will gladly
truedelphi
Jul 2013
#165
Point to the evidence that S&G produced that indicates illegal or abusive activities.
randome
Jul 2013
#111
Democrats support freedom and liberty. Those that have nothing but hatred for Snowden
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#93
True Democrats? Let's start with 'decent human beings' becaue all the name calling, invective
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#128
Read my sig, Andy. Your subspecies needs to get off the "President Rand Paul" strawman
Doctor_J
Jul 2013
#112
You never agree with anyone who does not think Snowden is Satan. Obsession, yes....
Logical
Jul 2013
#30
You LOVE being the center of attention. Bumping own posts. Posting dozens of links in a thread....
Logical
Jul 2013
#49
Credit should be given where it is due, try George Bush talking about this in 2005.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#9
Did Snowden go a press conference in 2005 and say the records were being examined?
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#84
I believe here in the USA, there is a National Association of News Reporter awards
truedelphi
Jul 2013
#166
With exploded heads they have to figure out how to discredit Mr. Robinson.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#55
I've come to expect that speaking truth to power will always be vilified...
MrMickeysMom
Jul 2013
#77
Frankly, the govt is the least of your worries. Loss of privacy is the price we pay for living in a
spicegal
Jul 2013
#105
"The spooks don’t decide how far is too far. We do." hell yeah, too bad we have not control over,.
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#113
I'd rather thank PBS' Frontline program from 2007, "Spying on the Home Front"
justiceischeap
Jul 2013
#123