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NuclearDem

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58. That's not what hypocrisy means.

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:37 AM

Jul 2013

Hypocrisy is pretending to have moral values or principles you don't actually have.

Furthermore, quoting Obama, or any politician, about a position they've held in the past and using it discuss their current position is not a fallacy; in fact, it's a good argument. And that post of yours from the Bush years about surveillance has every bearing on your current position about the NSA under Obama.

The things you dig up, on the other hand, have little to nothing to do with the veracity or truth behind Greenwald and Snowden's claims. They're simply attempts to tie them to people we're not supposed to like in the hope that we'll think less of their claims for it. That's absolutely a logical fallacy (in fact, it's several fallacies).

Finally, I have no interest in dictating what you do or do not focus on. What I said is that if your OPs were actually about the veracity of Snowden/Greenwald's claims rather than just assortments of logical fallacies, I wouldn't have felt the need to call you on it.

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In 2005, Greenwald defended Tancredo against those calling him out for his racist views. [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Congrats! The Chamber of Commerce couldn't have said it better! last1standing Jul 2013 #1

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #5

I've heard republicans call the left wing 'ratfuckers' but never a Democrat. last1standing Jul 2013 #14

In 2006, ProSense was against NSA spying LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #136

Bush WAS spying illegally, Congress institutionalized the program in 2006. You're upset that blm Jul 2013 #153

That's what you got out of the post? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #155

If I misunderstood then I apologize. blm Jul 2013 #158

Tom Tancredo works for the Chamber of Commerce. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #142

Many people work for the Chamber of Commerce in different capacities. last1standing Jul 2013 #150

A really big YAWN & a special thanks from Booz Allen think Jul 2013 #2

It's not called killing the messenger ... it's frazzled Jul 2013 #21

If Snowden tortured as a spy we wouldn't be having this conversation think Jul 2013 #25

Huh? frazzled Jul 2013 #27

It was a reference to Robert Lady.... think Jul 2013 #40

No, it IS killing the messenger. Really it is. Every day, all hours of the day. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #62

If Greenwald defended Tom fucking Tancredo, I'd say that's GREAT cause for concern. Arkana Jul 2013 #132

If the fucking NSA broke fucking laws is that not important? think Jul 2013 #137

Didn't say it wasn't. Arkana Jul 2013 #146

If George Bush came forward with facts of war crimes against Cheney think Jul 2013 #148

No, but I'd wonder what Bush's motives were since I don't trust him given his past. Arkana Jul 2013 #149

This Greenwald sounds like a bad dude leftstreet Jul 2013 #3

Oh FFS! LAGC Jul 2013 #4

It's not like I'm a Democratic politician, say Biden or Clinton, who has to watch what I say. ProSense Jul 2013 #7

And then proceed to smear the ones who say what you don't want to hear. cui bono Jul 2013 #17

It is something of a puzzle for us in Colorado Robb Jul 2013 #6

Coors. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #9

Coors leftstreet Jul 2013 #10

Coors. Autumn Jul 2013 #11

Coors beer or Tom Tancredo: ProSense Jul 2013 #15

OMG you never show your sense of humour! leftstreet Jul 2013 #18

. ProSense Jul 2013 #24

Oliver Willis had Glenn pegged from the start. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #8

Nicely catapulted propaganda! Agony Jul 2013 #12

No, Greenwald's past comments with a brief statement by me. ProSense Jul 2013 #19

Character assasination AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #103

Glenn's "deeply held beliefs" appear to emanate from his right rear pants ucrdem Jul 2013 #13

The Chamber of Commerce agrees with you. last1standing Jul 2013 #20

And Romney and most Republicans agree with Greenwald's views on immigrants. DevonRex Jul 2013 #51

They agree with what he used to believe, while you are still using their tactics. last1standing Jul 2013 #55

LOL. Don't lecture me on tactics. DevonRex Jul 2013 #72

You started the lectures, I merely responded. last1standing Jul 2013 #74

And what exactly does this have to do with whether GG is right or wrong about the NSA? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #16

It has everything to do with my opinion of Greenwald. Is that OK? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #22

If you didn't have a history of digging up dirt on Snowden and Greenwald, I might believe that. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #28

You don't "believe" it has anything to with my opinion of Greenwald? ProSense Jul 2013 #33

Hypocrisy by who? When have I ever done that? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #37

Who accused you of doing that? ProSense Jul 2013 #44

That's not what hypocrisy means. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #58

Hypocrisy ProSense Jul 2013 #92

Here, do us all a favor and look up what hypocrisy means. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #96

"What you just described is called a superiority complex. " ProSense Jul 2013 #99

Oh for the love of Christ NuclearDem Jul 2013 #102

Add ProSense Jul 2013 #106

The "you" was not referring to you specifically. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #111

That's why I said "someone," and thanks for acknowledging that you made the point. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #120

Yeah, I think we're done here. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #122

Have you considered that Republicans are obstructionists and Obama doesn't control congress? cui bono Jul 2013 #32

A good point, unfortunately one that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #34

I didn't think the sarcasm tag was necessary there. :) cui bono Jul 2013 #41

Oh good God I'm embarrassed now. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #43

Don't feel too bad. Unfortunately these days it really is hard to tell what is sarcasm cui bono Jul 2013 #46

This has become so tiresome. Marr Jul 2013 #23

See ProSense Jul 2013 #26

I'm starting to think that protecting Obama has little to do with these threads. last1standing Jul 2013 #29

I tend to agree. Marr Jul 2013 #31

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #35

I'm sure the contractors for the NSA agree with you. last1standing Jul 2013 #38

Don't know, don't care. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #39

Lol! You post a helluva lot for someone who doesn't care. last1standing Jul 2013 #42

LOL! I don't know, don't care who you claim agrees with me. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #45

Yet you keep responding. last1standing Jul 2013 #47

Well, it's one way to keep the thread kicked n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #48

Believe me, there's nothing I'd like better than to keep this thread kicked. last1standing Jul 2013 #49

Thanks n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #56

Glad to to help you show people who you really are. last1standing Jul 2013 #59

Also exposes Greenwald defense of a racist and his appalling views on "illegal immigration." n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #61

And the fact that your post is exactly what the Chamber of Commerce wants to see. last1standing Jul 2013 #63

I don't care what you think the CoC wants. ProSense Jul 2013 #65

And you won't change anyone's opinion with contextless smear tactics. last1standing Jul 2013 #66

Oh, there's context, and I'll continue posting my opinions. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #68

I know you'll keep posting opinions. last1standing Jul 2013 #69

Yup, I'll keep posting my opinons, and you'll keep pondering the ridiculous. ProSense Jul 2013 #70

I like to think six impossible things before breakfast. last1standing Jul 2013 #71

"Thankfully I have your threads to read." Glad to be of service. ProSense Jul 2013 #76

I don't think it's me you serve. last1standing Jul 2013 #78

You seem really stuck on the "Chamber of Commerce." Are you a member? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #79

It's your "opinions" that always seem to line up with theirs, not mine. last1standing Jul 2013 #80

You're the one insisting you know their opinions. I have no idea, and don't care, n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #82

No offense, but that's the silliest argument I've heard in ages. last1standing Jul 2013 #85

No, you keep telling me about the CoC's opinions. I assume you know what you're talking about. ProSense Jul 2013 #86

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. It's called being informed of the issues. last1standing Jul 2013 #87

You're probably really knowledgeable about free speech and opinions too, right? ProSense Jul 2013 #89

Again yes. last1standing Jul 2013 #127

Cool, so you'll allow me my opinion? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #128

I'll not only allow the opinions you express, I'll kick them for you. last1standing Jul 2013 #152

Seriously? I'm trying to avoid taking sides, but you guys are seeing informants in your soup. Arkana Jul 2013 #134

At this point Prosense and I are just needling each other for fun. last1standing Jul 2013 #151

the Obama administration is doing a fine job of making itself look bad lately grasswire Jul 2013 #84

Awww, you poor little thing... RetroLounge Jul 2013 #30

How cute. ProSense Jul 2013 #36

The more I read about Greenwald, the more I really think he's nothing more than a racist Republican Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #50

So you linked to Greenwald when he posted conservative crap but don't now that he doesn't? last1standing Jul 2013 #53

No...I linked to his drone stories. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #54

Maybe you should read his intro to that column where he talks about his changing beliefs. last1standing Jul 2013 #57

I'm sorry, but I just can't find it in me to even take this guy seriously any more. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #60

You know, I can actually understand that. last1standing Jul 2013 #64

I stopped Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #67

I never supported him, just a few thing I agreed with Rex Jul 2013 #156

And the NSA still spies on us AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #52

Kind of sad watching you self destruct whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #75

Welcome to DU. ProSense Jul 2013 #77

ProSense mode number 3. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #81

Oooh, bizarre. ProSense Jul 2013 #83

How do you keep being wrong and missing the point of everything post after post, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #88

Because you disagree with me? ProSense Jul 2013 #90

How on Earth did you get that idea from his post? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #91

Do you think Tancredo is a racist? Do you agree with Greenwald on "illegal" immigration? ProSense Jul 2013 #94

Why are you asserting I don't like the OP because it's critical of Greenwald? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #98

Because ProSense Jul 2013 #100

Logical fallacy bingo! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #105

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #108

Well, let's see! In this thread, we have from you: NuclearDem Jul 2013 #116

My list, you in this thread: pure deflection. ProSense Jul 2013 #118

Greenwald says he no longer holds those views on immigration. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #125

Greenwald says he never supported the Iraq war. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #129

More exclusion and misrepresentation. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #154

Nope. I have no opinion on 90% of the crap you post since most of what you write Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #97

Wow ProSense Jul 2013 #101

Therefore NSA spying on US citizens is a great idea! eridani Jul 2013 #93

"Exemplary logic, that." It's your logic. ProSense Jul 2013 #95

OP states "It's all about the messenger, not the message" n/t eridani Jul 2013 #104

No, OP state: Greenwald defended Tancredo. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #109

And we should care about that because why? eridani Jul 2013 #124

Who said you had to "care"? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #131

It's called 'deflection' AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #107

That's hilarious, ProSense Jul 2013 #110

Well, when you make threads when you constantly link to yourself NuclearDem Jul 2013 #112

LOL! At least you admit it, even though you're attempting to blame me for your off-topic comments. ProSense Jul 2013 #114

My mother taught me in the first grade AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #113

Why ProSense Jul 2013 #117

Because AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #121

Are you old enough now to realize that ProSense Jul 2013 #133

I'm old enough to realize AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #147

.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #115

What the hell is that? ProSense Jul 2013 #119

NSA spying is wrong. The Obama admin is wrong on the issue... ram2008 Jul 2013 #123

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #126

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #130

DUers have been had by the forked-tongue opportunist Greenwald. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #135

Libertarians talk out of UglyGreed Jul 2013 #138

... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #139

Do you work? WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #140

You already PM'd me accusing me of being a paid shill ProSense Jul 2013 #143

So that's a "no." WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #145

K & R! I must have missed this post from yesterday. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #141

OMG AT THIS PARAGRAPH: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #144

He has since recanted those views. nt Hissyspit Jul 2013 #157