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In reply to the discussion: unlike sniveling cowardly Greenwald - Biden and Clinton stand by their Iraq War and Patriot Act [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)64. Clinton's weasely floor speech on the Iraq War Resolution:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2667891
I'm going to highlight the weasely bits because I want people reading this to see how Hillary knowingly aided and abetted a war criminal (I will explain after the quotations):
Pretty good, huh? She wanted the UN to get involved before Bush invaded but she was alarmed by unilateralism! Yet, she knew that passing the resolution enabled unilateralism! But the "present facts" made it "not a good option." Cute, eh? This, despite the Bush administrations run up to the war and demands to attack using old, obsolete, Gulf War era resolutions!
If, if, if! But she knew damn well that she was enabling a unilateral attack.
At the end she reveals herself (and thus invalidates her talk of diplomacy and assuring UN resolutions were upheld, and assuring that weapons inspectors were allowed to do their job):
Except, dear Hillary, Saddam destroyed those weapons in 1991:
Boom. Hillary aided and abetted a war criminal as testified in his own biography signed off by him and is why he can't visit certain EU states because he'll wind up in the fucking Hague.
I'm going to highlight the weasely bits because I want people reading this to see how Hillary knowingly aided and abetted a war criminal (I will explain after the quotations):
Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.
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If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
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If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.
If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.
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I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons.
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My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
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If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
...
If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.
If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.
...
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons.
...
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
Pretty good, huh? She wanted the UN to get involved before Bush invaded but she was alarmed by unilateralism! Yet, she knew that passing the resolution enabled unilateralism! But the "present facts" made it "not a good option." Cute, eh? This, despite the Bush administrations run up to the war and demands to attack using old, obsolete, Gulf War era resolutions!
If, if, if! But she knew damn well that she was enabling a unilateral attack.
At the end she reveals herself (and thus invalidates her talk of diplomacy and assuring UN resolutions were upheld, and assuring that weapons inspectors were allowed to do their job):
Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret.
Except, dear Hillary, Saddam destroyed those weapons in 1991:
While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdads desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.
Boom. Hillary aided and abetted a war criminal as testified in his own biography signed off by him and is why he can't visit certain EU states because he'll wind up in the fucking Hague.
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unlike sniveling cowardly Greenwald - Biden and Clinton stand by their Iraq War and Patriot Act [View all]
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
OP
Yeah, these true peoples have the courage of their misguided convictions to stand tall on them
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#1
if people going changing their minds just because they learned something or looked at something
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#3
you know in much of the world these are the scenes shown on the prime time nightly news
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#39
So shredding the constitution and standing by it, along with a fake war is a good thing?
Katashi_itto
Jul 2013
#9
Obama can never, ever do any wrong. Got it. Even the Bush-sourced "patriot act" is good. Check.
Fire Walk With Me
Jul 2013
#10
I thought they just agreed with Bush's war. But I see your point, admitting you were so
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#11
How can they not see the incredible hypocrisy and stupidity of attacking Greenwald on this?
whatchamacallit
Jul 2013
#38
Your hypocrisy is that you support other war supporters and cheerleaders and yes voters
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#49
Role Call vote on Iraq War Resoltion - Delaware Joseph Biden (D): Yes Thomas Carper (D): Yes
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#29
does he agree or disagree with John Kerry that he would have voted for it anyway?
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#31
that's not excuse and no reason to admit it.. Do we want to be led by wimps who admit they
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#58
that's what real men of principle would do. Did Stalin ever admit he was wrong?
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#57