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joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
64. Clinton's weasely floor speech on the Iraq War Resolution:
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:55 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2667891

I'm going to highlight the weasely bits because I want people reading this to see how Hillary knowingly aided and abetted a war criminal (I will explain after the quotations):

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

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If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

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If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

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I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons.

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My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.


Pretty good, huh? She wanted the UN to get involved before Bush invaded but she was alarmed by unilateralism! Yet, she knew that passing the resolution enabled unilateralism! But the "present facts" made it "not a good option." Cute, eh? This, despite the Bush administrations run up to the war and demands to attack using old, obsolete, Gulf War era resolutions!

If, if, if! But she knew damn well that she was enabling a unilateral attack.

At the end she reveals herself (and thus invalidates her talk of diplomacy and assuring UN resolutions were upheld, and assuring that weapons inspectors were allowed to do their job):

Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret.


Except, dear Hillary, Saddam destroyed those weapons in 1991:

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.


Boom. Hillary aided and abetted a war criminal as testified in his own biography signed off by him and is why he can't visit certain EU states because he'll wind up in the fucking Hague.

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Yeah, these true peoples have the courage of their misguided convictions to stand tall on them usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #1
if people going changing their minds just because they learned something or looked at something Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #3
Madness, that's what! Union Scribe Jul 2013 #5
He wrote a book noise Jul 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #4
Please warn of graphic images n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #35
GOD DAMN IT! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #36
you know in much of the world these are the scenes shown on the prime time nightly news Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #39
That blood was spilled in our name Generic Other Jul 2013 #43
K&R -- Brilliant. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #6
It is....nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #7
The Character Assassination Continues cantbeserious Jul 2013 #8
So shredding the constitution and standing by it, along with a fake war is a good thing? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #9
It's a test of one's mettle. (spelling corrected) Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #12
Ahhh, brilliant sarcasm. I get it Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #13
not metal. mettle. eilen Jul 2013 #14
I stand corrected - (on the spelling) Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #15
Well, there WAS a good film about a piano ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #16
well I think would have preferred it to "The Piano" Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17
Obama can never, ever do any wrong. Got it. Even the Bush-sourced "patriot act" is good. Check. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #10
it is getting harder and harder to tell these days Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #18
I thought they just agreed with Bush's war. But I see your point, admitting you were so sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #11
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #19
Biden and Clinton were elected to an office treestar Jul 2013 #20
Yes, being in elected office makes them much less responsible for things Fumesucker Jul 2013 #23
Nonsensical distinction whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #37
And they still accomplish more on the toilet than GG will AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #21
So in your opinion the measure of a man is how much he shits? bowens43 Jul 2013 #52
"I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration." ProSense Jul 2013 #22
Greenwald apologized. He was not an elected official who voted for the war. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #25
+! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #26
Lets not forget WHY they voted for it. One, they were lied to by JaneyVee Jul 2013 #28
Which is likely why Greenwald supported it (at first) whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #40
Lied to?! Puhleeze Carolina Jul 2013 #44
How can they not see the incredible hypocrisy and stupidity of attacking Greenwald on this? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #38
Oh Greenwald changed his mind, did he? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #33
Oh, SNAP! Efilroft Sul Jul 2013 #42
Wow. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #47
Your hypocrisy is that you support other war supporters and cheerleaders and yes voters Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #49
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #24
False. See video below: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #27
Role Call vote on Iraq War Resoltion - Delaware Joseph Biden (D): Yes Thomas Carper (D): Yes Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29
Sure he voted for it, under false pretenses. The administration said JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30
does he agree or disagree with John Kerry that he would have voted for it anyway? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #31
Then he was inexcusably STUPID Carolina Jul 2013 #41
And yet 23 Senators with the same case presented to them voted NO. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #45
Exactomundo. closeupready Jul 2013 #48
You didn't even need to assume WMDs to conclude that, btw. joshcryer Jul 2013 #62
Scott Ritter, Robert Fisk, Hans Blix, and suicided David Kelly dispute that. joshcryer Jul 2013 #60
Except that they WERE wrong. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #32
that's not excuse and no reason to admit it.. Do we want to be led by wimps who admit they Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58
Maybe. LWolf Jul 2013 #65
Really? snappyturtle Jul 2013 #34
OMG, did the Symbionese Liberation Army get to you, too? closeupready Jul 2013 #46
no, they all over the place Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #50
So basically you believe that bowens43 Jul 2013 #51
that's what real men of principle would do. Did Stalin ever admit he was wrong? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #57
I loved this thread. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #53
thank you , I appreciate that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #54
You know you've lost the high ground in a debate... randome Jul 2013 #55
. You know you've lost the high ground in a debate... Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #56
Are you ignoring Glen Greenwalds message (NSA surveillance) AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #61
some people sometime try to use irony to make their point Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jul 2013 #59
Clinton's weasely floor speech on the Iraq War Resolution: joshcryer Jul 2013 #64
An honest person admits when they are wrong. alarimer Jul 2013 #66
I gave you a rec for style points GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #67
Of course, being of the privileged class, they didn't risk facing rendition or other such things. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #68
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