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(29,853 posts) Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:47 AM Jul 2013

Ralph "Thanks for 2000" Nader:Hillary Clinton needs challenger from the left [View all]

Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader said Monday progressives in the Democratic Party must challenge Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination in 2016, saying she’s lost her progressive cred.

“Somebody must challenge from the left, because, I mean, Hillary Clinton, who started out as a progressive out of Yale Law School and Wellesley, she’s become almost the poster child for the military-industrial complex,” Nader told Chuck Todd in an online interview for MSNBC’s “The Daily Rundown” on Monday.

“She hugs Kissinger. She hobnobs with Bob Rubin and the Wall Street crowd. I mean it’s almost a caricature. But you know on social issues, like pro-choice, children’s issues, you know she keeps that liberal sheen.”

Nader said the challenge could from a few “marginalized” members of the party, but he worries they won’t step up to the plate.

more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/ralph-nader-hillary-clinton-2016-94871.html

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Ralph "Thanks for 2000" Nader:Hillary Clinton needs challenger from the left [View all] Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 OP

Nader has accomplished more for progressive causes than anyone I can name ramparta Jul 2013 #1

Really? nt Xipe Totec Jul 2013 #13

Nader has accomplished more to destroy progressive causes than anyone I can name Coyotl Jul 2013 #47

+1000.....Everything positive he accomplished has long been overwhelmed by the evil he has allowed Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #63

I find it so amazing the arrogance displayed by some democrats... eqfan592 Jul 2013 #94

He'll get no quarter here...I'll despise his raunchy ass until he draws his final useless breath. Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #97

I am so sick of the word entitled hfojvt Jul 2013 #100

Really? Let's see your list. MineralMan Jul 2013 #51

Sure, here is my short list for starters Coyotl Jul 2013 #87

Hey! I recognize that list. MineralMan Jul 2013 #88

A response. eqfan592 Jul 2013 #95

IMO, primaries should provide choice among ideas and people, so of course, HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #2

He's right. We don't need two Republicans running against each other. Scuba Jul 2013 #3

+1 forestpath Jul 2013 #6

Yep, with Hillary as the nominee our corpoate overlords can't lose. Broward Jul 2013 #14

you are sooo right. See link. antigop Jul 2013 #65

D*mn right, I was NEVER a Bill Clinton voter....why would I EVER vote for Hillary..... a kennedy Jul 2013 #27

+10 RC Jul 2013 #37

Well of course he does. Thanks for the input Ralph "Rand/Rubio" Nader. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #4

F*ck Nadir. nt BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #5

Ralph "No Difference Between Bush and Gore" is a political genius BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #7

Yeah, if Nader ever did anything good, that more than tarnished it. No diff between Bush and Gore stevenleser Jul 2013 #10

good luck with that mikeysnot Jul 2013 #12

No luck needed. It's his permanent legacy. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #15

yes, it is mikeysnot Jul 2013 #58

My balls still hurt from that BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #22

Agreed. Nader's 2000 Ego Trip Gave Us Eight Years Of Dubya Vogon_Glory Jul 2013 #30

WRONG! The SCOTUS gave us Dubya in a bloodless coup that eviscerated the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #44

Some people think 2000 was a corporate coup. raouldukelives Jul 2013 #50

SCOTUS wouldn't have been able to do it without Nader drawing so many votes away in FLA Hekate Jul 2013 #92

without Nader though, SCOTUS becomes irrelevant hfojvt Jul 2013 #99

I Will Continue to Blame Ralph For 2000 Vogon_Glory Jul 2013 #108

I blame Gore for 2000. He violated the first precept of American politics which is that HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #109

At the time, it was a relatively unknown GW Bush vs. Gore and his sidekick, Lieberman. Marr Jul 2013 #103

I was there...it was nightmarishly stupid at the time BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #105

It didn't fool me either, but it wasn't as laughable as it seems today. Marr Jul 2013 #106

And there was the death-by-a-thousand-cuts MSM coverage of Gore BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #107

The Republican Party's best friend says something. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #8

The More The Merrier... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #9

Damn straight. riqster Jul 2013 #31

"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican George Bush" klook Jul 2013 #11

Which might matter if one could control how everyone registered. You can register GOP if you want stevenleser Jul 2013 #16

My point is, continuing to focus on Nader as the sole reason we lost the 2000 election is inaccurate klook Jul 2013 #28

Two points: riqster Jul 2013 #33

My point is that Nader deserves some of the blame and the exculpatory reasoning you provided doesnt stevenleser Jul 2013 #39

he's not the sole reason, obviously (ie SCOTUS), but to say he wasn't a factor is silly. dionysus Jul 2013 #52

yup, George Zimmerman was registered as a Democrat JI7 Jul 2013 #93

Nader's crime against humanity was being on the ballot in the first place Gman Jul 2013 #21

If Nader committed a 'crime against humanity,' then why did Gore concede? No one HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #45

Because he was not ready for a hot civil war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #57

The blood of many thousands is on Nader's hands Gman Jul 2013 #90

Oh, puh-leeze. Without Hillary's and Kerry's assent (and the assent of many other prominent Dems), HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #102

What you say would be irrelevant had Nader nor run Gman Jul 2013 #111

I agree with him on competition within the party davidpdx Jul 2013 #17

Not that he's necessarily wrong here, but why does Nader never attack the Republicans this same way? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #18

Because they financed his run in 2000? riqster Jul 2013 #29

;-) WinkyDink Jul 2013 #56

Because they don't claim to be on the side of the People. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #36

Ah, so it's only perceived hypocrisy, not policies, he is against. Okay, then. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55

If the Democratic Party wants my vote... 99Forever Jul 2013 #19

You better get busy ... or you'll be whining about President Hillary JoePhilly Jul 2013 #25

Coming from the guy that gave us Bush Gman Jul 2013 #20

She does Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #23

Better get busy Ralph, time is running out. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #24

Ralph, you irrelevant old fool. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #26

Hate him all you want, he's right. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #32

And where in that analysis is he off base? cali Jul 2013 #34

do you really expect a reply, cali? Just expect more name-calling. nt antigop Jul 2013 #64

Hey Ralphie... trumad Jul 2013 #35

Re Nader: "I don't think I've ever met a bigger asshole" DinahMoeHum Jul 2013 #38

I will vote for 3rd party if Hillary is the nominee mick063 Jul 2013 #40

Then you are likely in line to vote for Palin Sheepshank Jul 2013 #41

Cripes mick063 Jul 2013 #48

hey, you're the one on a Dem Site Sheepshank Jul 2013 #49

So alert it. mick063 Jul 2013 #53

Why should I alert your post? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #67

Help mick063 Jul 2013 #74

actually my 5 year old could have gobsmacked you. n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #76

Well played mick063 Jul 2013 #79

go run tell mommy frylock Jul 2013 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jul 2013 #68

my condolences frylock Jul 2013 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jul 2013 #72

because those are the only choices available frylock Jul 2013 #61

poster said he would not support the Dem nomination if it were HRC Sheepshank Jul 2013 #69

you can put me on that list as well.. frylock Jul 2013 #73

So...apparently you can't point out the change in TOS Sheepshank Jul 2013 #75

what's stopping you from alerting on my posts? frylock Jul 2013 #78

Would you vote for Obama a 3rd time, if that were possible? cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #43

Are you kidding me? mick063 Jul 2013 #46

No. truebrit71 Jul 2013 #86

I'll alert the media. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #66

You have that much clout? mick063 Jul 2013 #71

Dog Whistle! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #42

George Orwell called nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #54

Ha! Good one. (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2013 #60

He's right, but he's not the one to provide it nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59

While I think Nader is being his usual bombastic, hyperbolic self, Arkana Jul 2013 #77

Go away Ralph... JHB Jul 2013 #80

If I had reservations about Hillary, and I do, Nader's opposition to her only increases the..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #81

She sure as hell does. n/t Orsino Jul 2013 #82

Ralph is mad at the world olddots Jul 2013 #83

Nader Schmader, but I agree. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #84

On this point he isn't wrong... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #85

lol, nader is a fool. why is anyone even listening okieinpain Jul 2013 #89

Ralphie, go home. Your mother is calling you. Hekate Jul 2013 #91

She does. Asl long as it's from a Democrat eridani Jul 2013 #96

Who in their right mind thinks HRC will be the only person running?And what is this Ms. Rodham crap? Hekate Jul 2013 #98

enjoy your daily hour of hate and rage. nt bbgrunt Jul 2013 #101

Ralph needs to retire to some beachfront property... sofa king Jul 2013 #104

there is a first time for everything G_j Jul 2013 #110