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struggle4progress

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33. The prohibition on command influence is intended to ensure a fair trial, by preventing
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jul 2013

higher-ups from deliberately applying pressures to the military justice system in manner prejudicial to the defendant, and more generally by preventing higher-ups from carelessly acting in such fashion that subordinates will believe such pressures are applied, if the result is prejudicial to the defendant

In this case, a handful of Manning supporters approached the President at a small private gathering, where apparently no one alleges any military personnel were present, and afterwards provided a mostly unintelligible recording, in which Bradley Manning's name s either never mentioned or at least is never audible. In fact, very little of the recording can be heard clearly, except for a few statements about how the world works or the US being a nation of laws, and the statement "He broke the law." Various persons have published on the web attempts at approximate reconstructed transcripts, with somewhat inconsistent results. In particular, the claim that the conversation was about Manning, although likely from some reconstructions of the recording, is not immediately obvious and may depend somewhat on the context provided by the Manning supporters who produced the recording in the first place

The tape thus has the following curious history: the people who produced the recording, and who want to use it as evidence that the President has prejudiced the Manning trial, are themselves the ones who publicized these statements, which could not possibly have been regarded as prejudicial to Manning, had the statements remained unpublicized. And moreover, due to the poor quality of the recording, the argument -- that the statements are prejudicial to Manning -- relies heavily on the context and reconstruction provided by the persons who produced the recording in the first place. That is, the claim that the President has prejudiced the proceedings is based on the publicity given to this recording, which is largely unintelligible without explanations by the publicizers to explain what the recording shows and to fill its unintelligible gaps by approximate reconstructions -- but the publicity, the explanations, and the first approximate transcripts all originate with the producers of the video. Or, to put it another way, these Manning supporters seem to have set out to prejudice the proceedings so they could argue the proceedings were prejudiced -- and the courts are unlikely to lay the blame for that at the President's feet

As the recording dates from the summer of 2012, and the charges against Manning were filed in July 2010 and in March 2011, the recording cannot have influenced the prosecutors drawing up the charges

I suppose it might be grounds for appeal, if anyone could show that any of the prosecutor or the judge had had watched the video or had read the approximate transcripts

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Bradley Manning verdict? [View all] struggle4progress Jul 2013 OP
Acquittal. Time served. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #1
Care to back that up with something? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #24
No, just stating a preference. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #35
Are you asking should be or will be? antiquie Jul 2013 #2
I actually intended to ask what people expect to happen tomorrow. Sorry I wasn't clear struggle4progress Jul 2013 #4
I am not sure because arely staircase Jul 2013 #3
What do I want, or what do I think will happen? nt LWolf Jul 2013 #5
What do you think will happen? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #7
Guilty on some or all accounts. Prison. LWolf Jul 2013 #9
Remember folks this is a military court, not a civilian one.. Historic NY Jul 2013 #6
Exactly. Sentences are harsher, particularly if the court/jury believes the accused tarnished the stevenleser Jul 2013 #32
Courts martial board has been ordered to find him guilty by the Commander in Chief. Scuba Jul 2013 #8
Clueless TheLion Jul 2013 #10
My assertion is that the President's statement is influencing the Courts Martial board.... Scuba Jul 2013 #11
What military personnel were present when such statement was allegedly made? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #12
Every one with access to Youtube ... Scuba Jul 2013 #13
Well, let's go through it with a fine-toothed comb. Were there any military personnel present? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #14
Why would it matter? When Nixon ordered a world-wide alert in 1973 I didn't hear it from him. Scuba Jul 2013 #15
Presuming that answers my 1st question & your prior post answers my 2nd, I'll ask my 3rd struggle4progress Jul 2013 #16
Here is a more complete youtube of the conversation, if it helps your thinking regarding the matter struggle4progress Jul 2013 #17
I'm pretty sure it's not my thinking that needs the help. Scuba Jul 2013 #28
Then you'll provide a clean fact-based argument for unlawful command influence struggle4progress Jul 2013 #29
I did, and video proof that Obama declared Manning "broke the law". Scuba Jul 2013 #30
The prohibition on command influence is intended to ensure a fair trial, by preventing struggle4progress Jul 2013 #33
They will be "good soldiers" and find the whistle blower guilty. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #18
Doesn't count as whistleblowing... Pelican Jul 2013 #19
Tsk, tsk. Whistle blowers are required to follow "procedures"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #20
If they want whistleblower protection... Pelican Jul 2013 #21
I think the regime and NSA are a lot more worried about it than I am. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #22
There's no "they": Manning elected for a trial by judge without jury struggle4progress Jul 2013 #23
They're going to name a new federal prison after him because he will Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #25
Word is that the judge has been offered a nice promotion when this is over, so Cleita Jul 2013 #26
... Schenck said Lind has already been informed that she will take up a new position, as a judge struggle4progress Jul 2013 #27
He's going to spend at least the next 40-60 years in prison. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #31
I imagine guilty on something. MineralMan Jul 2013 #34
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