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184. Here's the problem

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #182)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:47 AM

Jul 2013

and I'm not condemning the industry

but, the story completely relates Middleton's account. It does so as fact with no ambiguity. The reader knows what, when and why he was at his car. It makes no issue to dispute his claim, it asks no follow ups. If the police refuse comment, fine. Do they hold the story over that? No. Fine.

Then theirs this:
"The neighborhood where Middleton lives was quiet Saturday afternoon, and there was no evidence the shooting had even occurred. However, neighbors said only a few hours earlier the area had been congested with law enforcement vehicles and yellow crime scene tape."

There is a lot of missing info here. Why didn't anyone contact the neighbor who called 911. If they did, why is their no mention. Or why was it left out. Where is the 911 audio. Who else was home. Is that Mr. Middleton's home.

Maybe its not out and out stoking a fire, but at least very leasts its incomplete work. But frankly its shoddy. It also shows no sensitively towards the issues for which the state and country are reeling. They needed to be extra diligent to get it right and not to stoke something that isn't their. At very least a complete job could discover if it there at all.

I should be more articulate, but I hope you understand me

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Deputies shoot man in his front yard He was getting cigarette out of his mother's car [View all] HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 OP

Yay, cops! They're the best! hatrack Jul 2013 #1

Quick! Post the cop holding the milk jugs! That excuses everything, and explains... villager Jul 2013 #6

If I'm your neighbor ... Give me a call before you call the swat team. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #8

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Wow, that could have had a tragic ending. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #206

I don't think so hollysmom Jul 2013 #207

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Trigger happy assholes pscot Jul 2013 #20

Untrained trigger-happy assholes. How many rounds did they fire, and how many times did they miss? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #34

There's something seriously wrong pscot Jul 2013 #108

17 bullet casings found. SEVENTEEN. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #162

PIGS lark Jul 2013 #63

Shit - Fan Combination. Ghost Dog Jul 2013 #101

why? the pic tells us everything we need to know. niyad Jul 2013 #2

This^^^ HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 #11

It does indeed pscot Jul 2013 #22

It's open war on African Americans in Florida. Obviously. This isn't just a cop story. DevonRex Jul 2013 #80

well if you cant stop us from voting............ n/t. okieinpain Jul 2013 #147

Even if they use Diebold? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #155

BWB CincyDem Jul 2013 #104

Not totally true - truedelphi Jul 2013 #123

There it is. +1 Scootaloo Jul 2013 #152

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you were saying. joshcryer Jul 2013 #171

Another innocent black guy gets shot. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #3

I smell a lawsuit. Aristus Jul 2013 #4

He now has PAID time off. A paid vacation in Florida. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

True, that. Ghost Dog Jul 2013 #109

"�My mother�s car is full of bullet holes though. My wife had to go and get a rental.� hedgehog Jul 2013 #5

Is the neighbor who called police white? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #7

Why does that matter? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #74

because the budding narrative is racially motivated Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #111

So you are suggesting that all these questions should be asked and answered before we judge? notadmblnd Jul 2013 #127

Your second set of questions is my point Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #131

If the cops are black, they're still pigs for shooting the guy without asking questions first. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #134

What happen to your scary black guy bit? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #136

That's the excuse people in FLa use to justiy shooting AAs that are minding their own business notadmblnd Jul 2013 #139

I think it's quite evident you know very little Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #140

That could be... However, I think it's quite evident- that you know even less. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #145

So lets see Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #137

Well I live near where Oscar Grant was shot by a police officer, why should I trust? CreekDog Jul 2013 #193

And I changed planes at O'hare once Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #195

that's what you say when you don't have an answer CreekDog Jul 2013 #198

C'mon Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #200

you've been mocking people on DU since you signed up --don't plead for civility after doing that CreekDog Jul 2013 #202

Mock? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #204

lol. so now being in you front yard is suspect. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2013 #148

I'm talking about the article Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #154

you said the following okieinpain Jul 2013 #160

My statment doesn't cause yours, so no is the answer Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #161

"The Escambia County Sheriff�s Office declined to comment on the incident Saturday" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #178

No, that's not what I'm saying but here's an update to the story Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #181

No, you're not 'good'. You are still accusing the paper of making this racially motivated muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #182

Here's the problem Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #184

The police have the 911 audio; the police know who the caller was muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #187

thanks for keeping the discussions to the points Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #189

I don't respect your thoughts muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #191

Well I guess Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #194

Imagine the carnage we'd have seen if the TIPS program had caught on. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #9

Hatrack already said it: Yay cops! They're the best! Th1onein Jul 2013 #10

Wait where is the police information from report? Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #12

Really? Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #14

I did not say "the most" Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #18

The false title for the 1st video does not establish that the father of 4 attacked the cop. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #23

You did not bother because truth makes one look foolish Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #35

Actually, your posting of a false video, one with a false headline, shows you are foolish. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #37

You may be right about the one video but you ignored my point Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #54

I did not ignore your point. You want me to offer a solution? OK. Stick with the truth. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #56

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #77

Just 2 days old, too. Hmmm. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #156

Then there are NYPD cops that serve for 30 years and never draw their gun. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #78

You should look at the second video. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #59

Father of four attacks? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #29

With a cigarette butt. DevonRex Jul 2013 #96

i believe both. its a damn dangerous job and they okieinpain Jul 2013 #149

The ones in most danger Savannahmann Jul 2013 #150

Actually, judging from the Top 10 list ... Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #41

First video a waste of time. Shows two tense people with not violent confrontation. I don't know Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #61

oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #76

And, "What did his mother's car do?" It was just sitting there. Yet they shot it more times than him AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #94

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #98

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Are you kidding? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #135

Dangerous job? How dangerous can it be to shoot an unarmed man with his hands in the air? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #16

That is his statement Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #21

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Yea most departments not real keen on just giving reports to joe blow Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #28

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??????????????????????? Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #36

You really don't understand? If you really want a police report, contact the dept and pay for it. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #43

yeah the other poster said the same thing about just one side CreekDog Jul 2013 #199

don't heaven05 Jul 2013 #79

You're right. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #91

And a witness statement. He's African American and it's Florida. DevonRex Jul 2013 #87

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Are you now... pipi_k Jul 2013 #141

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Objective observer zipplewrath Jul 2013 #33

In his mind. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #47

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #82

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Is there pipi_k Jul 2013 #66

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this heaven05 Jul 2013 #93

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I heaven05 Jul 2013 #130

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Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #142

good heaven05 Jul 2013 #174

Once more... pipi_k Jul 2013 #179

And at the end of the day, an innocent guy got fired, RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #208

Florida. I have a friend who lives there who says it's the worse state in the nation, valerief Jul 2013 #46

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Texas. Texas is nothing compared to Michigan and Florida. vaberella Jul 2013 #90

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Devils advocate again (ALSO AGAIN we do not know all the details) Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #67

It's perfectly fine to shoot first and ask questions later then, right? Apophis Jul 2013 #68

PLEASE Sometimeswedrown Jul 2013 #72

There can be no reason for them to shoot EvilAL Jul 2013 #92

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You really are something. How do you think YOU might react if a bunch of men SCREAMED AT YOU WinkyDink Jul 2013 #164

you're right heaven05 Jul 2013 #176

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"Empathy" for cops who fired 17 bullets at a man IN HIS OWN DRIVEWAY? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #167

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You seem to want the cops to be judge, jury and executioner Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #185

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threat he saw? heaven05 Jul 2013 #97

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I heaven05 Jul 2013 #73

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But not like them enough to use them for practice. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #110

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What cops don't realize... TheLion Jul 2013 #116

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Yes they are HarveyDarkey Jul 2013 #119

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+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #196

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Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #124

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How do you account for the other 16 bullets fired? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #168

Once one idiot fires his gun, they all panic and fire theirs. Warpy Jul 2013 #173

warped heaven05 Jul 2013 #175

We know now that's not the case, but what made you think it in the first place? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #183

"In her carport, 17 shell casings had been found,"---Anyone who asks for "empathy" for the cops here WinkyDink Jul 2013 #172

Update: neighbor called him 'a black man' in 911 call; the police were afraid he had a gun muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #180

I'll agree that while the word pipi_k Jul 2013 #190

No policeman should have the instinct to shoot muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #192

If I were the guy who got shot, I'd be having a word or two with that neighbor. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #205