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137. Not to worry, we have a new system now to make legal anything ILLEGAL they do.

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:36 PM

Jul 2013

Sometime in the near future we will learn about a 'retroactive' amendment, passed quietly by Congress, legalizing 'lying to Congress for National Security reasons'.

After that happens, if you mention that 'Clapper lied to Congress', someone will come along with a link to inform you that 'what he did was legal' and to 'see Amend. #3 for details'.

Just as they made Bush's illegal spying, legal. I'm sure you have been accosted with a link, if you have called the current policies 'illegal', to Amendment #1 in this series of 'Save the Criminals from Prosecution' Amendments pointing out that it is LEGAL, unlike Bush, because, when he did, it was ILLEGAL.

We have become a banana republic when it comes to the law being applied to the wealthy and powerful and those who work for their interests.

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EUGENE ROBINSON: America Should Thank Snowden For Revealing NSA Snooping [View all] Purveyor Jul 2013 OP

Gene Robinson, the newest speedbump under the bus. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #1

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #97

If nothing else: last two paragraphs at link: snappyturtle Jul 2013 #2

What I want to know is why is Clapper still free after lying to the Senate? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #22

Yes, he probably knows way too much and would be more than snappyturtle Jul 2013 #24

Yes, it's that corrupt. delrem Jul 2013 #91

Yes, it is..........nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #99

Not to worry, we have a new system now to make legal anything ILLEGAL they do. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #137

No need for pesky law changes. Doublethink is here. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #162

Under the bus with him! East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #3

What evidence did S&G provide that shows the NSA operating illegally or abusively? randome Jul 2013 #4

Secret laws, court, and interpretation AllyCat Jul 2013 #13

Too much secrecy, no argument there. Now what evidence did S&G show? randome Jul 2013 #62

That all of our phone conversatons and email data has been collected - truedelphi Jul 2013 #70

This poster posts the same question almost every day Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #94

It is an effective strategy. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #100

Then answer it one more time, if you please. randome Jul 2013 #116

I do not care if you are converted or no. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #132

You are now trying to make Enthusiast your mommy or daddy - truedelphi Jul 2013 #169

S&G did not produce evidence of that. If they did, please point to it. randome Jul 2013 #109

Why do you need that info, or even care, since you're obviously OK with spying on Americans? nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #114

I'll show the acceptable amount of outrage once someone shows me the evidence. randome Jul 2013 #115

To me though, if you are OK with our government spying on its citizens, NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #118

There is no evidence they are spying on American citizens. randome Jul 2013 #120

Grow up! truedelphi Jul 2013 #141

You respond to a request for evidence with no evidence. randome Jul 2013 #158

If you are in grammar school, and unable to read adult news reports, I will gladly truedelphi Jul 2013 #165

Okay, randome... tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #96

Those corporations only have our bests interests at heart. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #101

The same can be said for FBI records. CIA records. Your local LE records. randome Jul 2013 #122

Exactly the concerns I have. truedelphi Jul 2013 #168

"what law did they break?" RetroLounge Jul 2013 #107

I'm done wasting my time with folks who won't, don't or are snappyturtle Jul 2013 #36

Reality is that S&G have shown nothing that is illegal or abusive randome Jul 2013 #65

This has been addressed upside down and inside out many times. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #74

"what law did they break?" RetroLounge Jul 2013 #108

So you can't answer that question, I take it. randome Jul 2013 #110

"what law did they break?" RetroLounge Jul 2013 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2013 #135

bullshit. you're *against* S&G, against transparency. delrem Jul 2013 #92

Point to the evidence that S&G produced that indicates illegal or abusive activities. randome Jul 2013 #111

Waiting for Prosense to attack Robinson! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #5

Glad I won't get to see it. I shut that one 'off' a few days back. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #7

The good thing is "that one" can still see you ProSense Jul 2013 #21

I can do that also... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #86

I know it's just so scathing innit it? Puglover Jul 2013 #124

I too keep it in my ignore list. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #27

if I were it, I'd be ashamed to show my hand.. grasswire Jul 2013 #31

If Ever there was a litmus test for true democrats, it is Edward Snowden Demeter Jul 2013 #12

Interesting Andy823 Jul 2013 #33

Democrats support freedom and liberty. Those that have nothing but hatred for Snowden rhett o rick Jul 2013 #93

I am a skeptic. Edward Snowden just smells bad to me Kolesar Jul 2013 #152

"let them be investigated" Enthusiast Jul 2013 #103

True Democrats? Let's start with 'decent human beings' becaue all the name calling, invective Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #128

I agree. bvar22 Jul 2013 #156

+10 RC Jul 2013 #34

You might as well save your breath RC. These folks cannot snappyturtle Jul 2013 #39

Of course Andy823 Jul 2013 #54

.................... Caretha Jul 2013 #72

Apparently Ron Paul invented civil liberties! JoeyT Jul 2013 #75

And what happens when someone you dont like is in the WH with these powers? DJ13 Jul 2013 #79

It's about keeping EITHER side from doing it. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #117

Read my sig, Andy. Your subspecies needs to get off the "President Rand Paul" strawman Doctor_J Jul 2013 #112

I have a question Andy823 Jul 2013 #47

It does not matter what Snowden's or Greenwald's political views are. RC Jul 2013 #90

Thank you Demeter...well said. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #37

I couldn't have said it better myself. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #88

Completely agree, Demeter. It's a "tell". Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #129

Didn't you know, Eugene Robinson's a racist! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #18

LOL! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #32

There's that creepy obsession thing. ProSense Jul 2013 #20

c'mon Pro! burnodo Jul 2013 #25

Damn, ProSense Jul 2013 #29

WAIT! I forgot burnodo Jul 2013 #35

LOL! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #40

You really think about me a lot, don't you? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #43

DAMN! burnodo Jul 2013 #44

How much do you think about my comments and what I'll post next? ProSense Jul 2013 #46

Oh, honey, I dream about it every night burnodo Jul 2013 #58

There's little choice about that when... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #50

OMG ProSense Jul 2013 #56

No, I think it would be better if you put me on ignore. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #61

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #64

You totally win when you use the ROFL smiley. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #76

You never agree with anyone who does not think Snowden is Satan. Obsession, yes.... Logical Jul 2013 #30

Did you ProSense Jul 2013 #41

You LOVE being the center of attention. Bumping own posts. Posting dozens of links in a thread.... Logical Jul 2013 #49

Apparently, you "LOVE" obsessing over me. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #51

LOL, you are obsessed with yourself. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #52

Says the person who sent me weird PMs. ProSense Jul 2013 #57

Chained CPI, and now Snowden. You are in a slump! LOL! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #60

And yet you're still obsessed. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #66

I will say, you never tire of getting your ass kicked on most topics. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #67

LOL! Whatever helps you feel better about your obsession. ProSense Jul 2013 #68

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #142

"There's that creepy obsession thing."... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #144

I finally caved Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #121

Too funny lark Jul 2013 #133

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #6

We should name a medal after him pscot Jul 2013 #8

Credit should be given where it is due, try George Bush talking about this in 2005. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #9

Speaking of sleeping....where where you in 2004? snappyturtle Jul 2013 #45

Did Snowden go a press conference in 2005 and say the records were being examined? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #84

Gave what information in 2005? I have no idea what Snowden snappyturtle Jul 2013 #87

Well, we can begin again to see if you can understand. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #95

racist, libertarian government hater!.. a real traitor limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #10

I Expect the WORLD will be thanking Snowden Publicly and Frequently Demeter Jul 2013 #11

What a stellar and noble idea. I hope it happens! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #48

Obama's not using his, we could give him that one DJ13 Jul 2013 #80

I believe here in the USA, there is a National Association of News Reporter awards truedelphi Jul 2013 #166

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #14

knr forestpath Jul 2013 #15

It's as if I felt millions heads exploding at once. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #16

With exploded heads they have to figure out how to discredit Mr. Robinson. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #55

K&R - Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #17

With apologies to the late Freddie Mercury - bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #19

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #23

Watch out! burnodo Jul 2013 #26

I do adore being informed!!! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #28

that was nth-dimensional Obama! burnodo Jul 2013 #38

Oh, I think he meant to include contracted-employees as well back then.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #42

Great find! Thanks. 20score Jul 2013 #59

De nada. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #71

They are not "snooping" treestar Jul 2013 #53

The NSA would never snoop on anyone or lie before congress.... think Jul 2013 #73

Snowden should've been a good spy & just kidnapped someone & tortured them think Jul 2013 #63

It's been tried: DeSwiss Jul 2013 #69

Yes in Italy ,but she fears US prosecution for speaking out not for think Jul 2013 #78

I think she fears being killed. :-| n/t DeSwiss Jul 2013 #81

When I posted that story did you see how fast it was Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #102

Actually..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #125

I've come to expect that speaking truth to power will always be vilified... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #77

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #82

Why did you put Eugene's name in caps? ecstatic Jul 2013 #83

Are you really that obtuse... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #89

The really good deal polynomial Jul 2013 #85

K&R Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #98

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #104

Frankly, the govt is the least of your worries. Loss of privacy is the price we pay for living in a spicegal Jul 2013 #105

Eugene is right as always.. but.. DCBob Jul 2013 #106

"The spooks don�t decide how far is too far. We do." hell yeah, too bad we have not control over,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #113

Jesus H Cracker Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #119

I'd rather thank PBS' Frontline program from 2007, "Spying on the Home Front" justiceischeap Jul 2013 #123

So is there a statute of limitations... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #145

What IS relevant is that this isn't new information justiceischeap Jul 2013 #150

That is exactly what is not relevant... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #154

I don't disagree with any of your points justiceischeap Jul 2013 #163

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #126

Recommend. KoKo Jul 2013 #127

Seems to me... DirtyDawg Jul 2013 #130

My impression is... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #146

BUT BUT BUT... SNOWDEN IS A LIBERTARIAN!! D23MIURG23 Jul 2013 #131

Mr. Robinson is a critical thinker Skittles Jul 2013 #134

God damn it, WE ALREADY KNEW!!! sofa king Jul 2013 #136

What you said... Deb Jul 2013 #139

I'm going to keep harping on this: ljm2002 Jul 2013 #147

It is entirely relevant. sofa king Jul 2013 #148

Nonsense. ljm2002 Jul 2013 #151

Yes, and just how would you dismantle it? sofa king Jul 2013 #155

You ask, "Would you dismantle it"... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #157

You first need to cite evidence of this 'massive surveillance state'. randome Jul 2013 #159

First of all... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #161

Another Bush, Jr. illegality. randome Jul 2013 #167

I couldn't agree more with EUGENE ROBINSON! Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #138

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #140

We're gonna need a new bus ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #143

... for the sophomoric drama Kolesar Jul 2013 #153

I do thank him tavalon Jul 2013 #149

Interesting. Thank you. GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #160