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JoeyT

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38. That's not actually what no true scotsman means.

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:50 PM

Jul 2013

No True Scotsman is only valid when what you're referencing isn't actually central to the definition of the term. Otherwise all definitions become meaningless and we can all just burn our dictionaries. To use the most extreme example, Rush Limbaugh is now a liberal because any counter-example becomes "No True Scotsman".

There are plenty of people on here that adamantly insist they're liberals or progressives while constantly worrying that the powerless might disrupt the status quo. We already have a word to describe that. "Conservative".

I'm not referring to pwnmom, who I actually sort of agree with to an extent (I consider Manning a whistleblower, not a journalist) just the increasingly prevalent attitude of "How dare you say I'm not a liberal?!" when people are making arguments that are anything but.

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The Scariest Quote You'll Read From the Trial Nobody Is Talking About (Manning trial) [View all] icymist Jul 2013 OP

Yes. It is scary. PDJane Jul 2013 #1

+1 and a K&R nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #2

I'm sure he will go on Foxnews to explain how the people Rex Jul 2013 #3

In what way is "nobody" talking about the Manning trial? brooklynite Jul 2013 #4

fer cryzake, this trial isn't getting time in the MSM. delrem Jul 2013 #23

I don't know. I heard the verdict on CBS Radio news. MineralMan Jul 2013 #41

yes, the verdict is getting some air time. delrem Jul 2013 #47

you do realize that the title of the thread comes directly from the article, don't you? magical thyme Jul 2013 #33

That implies.... Pelican Jul 2013 #5

That depends whether the government is abusing its secrecy powers. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #10

I sympathize with your dilemma. It would be so nice if everyone just let Big Daddy government rhett o rick Jul 2013 #15

I'll look back later ... Pelican Jul 2013 #18

++++1000 nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #26

I have known for a while I am an enemy of the State nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #6

Manning is not a journalist. He is a soldier who had a special responsibility pnwmom Jul 2013 #7

Your lack of compassion and empathy is scary. Are you "politically liberal"????? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #14

According to a lot of people delrem Jul 2013 #24

because no true liberal could disagree with you, right arely staircase Jul 2013 #36

That's not actually what no true scotsman means. JoeyT Jul 2013 #38

and my assertion you are engaging in that fallacy is valid arely staircase Jul 2013 #40

also sorry arely staircase Jul 2013 #43

It has nothing to do with me. I someone disagrees with the left on everything then rhett o rick Jul 2013 #39

i dont agree with the premise arely staircase Jul 2013 #42

When our government is operating in secrecy to keep us from knowing rhett o rick Jul 2013 #44

Ya, cuz going through the "established channels" is safe and effective. Hydra Jul 2013 #17

The outcome of this trial could set a precedent in what is considered journalism. icymist Jul 2013 #8

It's like poker: if you have to ask who The Enemy is kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #16

How is Manning a journalist? FSogol Jul 2013 #37

He & Snowden are modern day Paul Revere's with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9

you betcha arely staircase Jul 2013 #13

This is what I don't like about our adversarial court system. One side usually engages in lying. reformist2 Jul 2013 #11

the enemy he referrenced wasn't journalists arely staircase Jul 2013 #12

There's no question about OBL Hydra Jul 2013 #20

problem with the exposing crimes argument arely staircase Jul 2013 #21

Latest evidence says no Hydra Jul 2013 #22

Maybe there was a reason that they didn't report on it... Pelican Jul 2013 #31

Legal and ethical? Hydra Jul 2013 #32

Read the 15-6 investigation... Pelican Jul 2013 #34

in snowdens case arely staircase Jul 2013 #35

Journalists ARE the hands of the enemy. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #19

Do the arithmetic. Divide the number of documents Manning released by the total time he was in Iraq. struggle4progress Jul 2013 #25

this for me shows blatant disregard for the info he qas entrusted with loli phabay Jul 2013 #30

K&R Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #27

K&R..........nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #28

Rec Kick..... n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #29

Pfc Manning exposed WAR CRIMES. bvar22 Jul 2013 #45

This is a pattern that is happening everywhere now where the messenger is punished INSTEAD... cascadiance Jul 2013 #46