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KharmaTrain

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61. If The Inner Toobs Had Existed...

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:59 PM

Jul 2013

...during FDR's administration I'm sure there'd be a ton of ugly threads about him try to pack the Supreme Court or interring Japanese Americans or all matters of economic manipulation and running a secret war. Truman would have been lambasted for the Korean War...surely we have no business building empire. JFK? Sending military advisers to Vietnam, not clamping down fast enough on the civil rights abuses in the south and LBJ would have been skewered (as he was in the free press) for escalating Vietnam.

The problem with winning is you can't be all things to all people and eventually someone is going to feel they're being slighted and out come the knives. There's also a big disconnect between being in campaign and governing modes...promises aren't always fulfilled fast enough or at all and again out come the knives. When he tries to negotiate and govern on what he things is the best interests of the entire country this President is sure to get blasted from all sides for either being too accommodating or being a bully. What a thankless, shitty job...

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Wasn't Jimmy Carter hated by the left at one point too? [View all] uponit7771 Jul 2013 OP

It doesn't take a conspiracy for people to disagree with you cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #1

I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think it's overt at this point... Obama bailed out the banks is a uponit7771 Jul 2013 #11

Obama *didn't* bail out the banks... And isn't continuing to bail them out today MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #85

No..nt Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #2

Why so many votes for RayGun by those on the left? regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #6

Why would we think there were a lot of Reagan votes on the left? cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #10

reagan democrats were also holdovers from the old south datasuspect Jul 2013 #33

What? Reagan got significant votes from the left! Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #13

RayGun Democrats? Even if they weren't far left they were center and dems had an ear uponit7771 Jul 2013 #17

You've misplaced your own narrative. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #19

So ALL raygun dems were conservative?! tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #21

"Why so many votes for RayGun by those on the left?" - your argument. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #25

also, my point is I don't think the vast amount of these people are REALLY from the left...they are uponit7771 Jul 2013 #24

My first thought as well. I'm willing to wager .01% of the left voted for reagan. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #63

I think the swing voters might have been southern D's. Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #18

The Reagan Democrats were also from the Midwest and some Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #38

any source or evidence for that statement? burnodo Jul 2013 #59

No votes from the left for reagan, just many nominal Democrats. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #104

So was LBJ LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #3

It just sounds too...orchestrated...I mean, Clinton?! Gore ran from Clinton?! Even teh GOP likes uponit7771 Jul 2013 #8

He was hated, and because of the Vietnam War. MicaelS Jul 2013 #16

LBJ was despised because he escalated the Vietnam War Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #40

How do you think we ended up with Raygun? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #4

Because of Nader Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #20

Because he told the truth. He told us the party was over after tsuki Jul 2013 #91

not really G_j Jul 2013 #5

"Do you see this going on at a low level today?" ecstatic Jul 2013 #7

That randroid racist Ted Kennedy for example? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #9

...but to denegrate him to the point of electing raygun?! I mean, by NOW we have to figure out uponit7771 Jul 2013 #14

As much as I loved Teddy and miss him dearly, I do Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #43

They don't have 30 they have 24. It's roughly half. And I question the use of the word 'already' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #88

Thanks for the correction. I wish I had the optimism that you have, though. I don't have Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #96

There's a small segment of the population that's never happy about anything... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #12

...unnnn, we're all malcontents to some degree. This is Carter, Clinton and no Obama focused ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #15

It's a wink and a nod nolabels Jul 2013 #27

God yes, I see them here on DU every day Fumesucker Jul 2013 #22

Small, and noisy. eom Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #56

He started deregulation. Victim of "malaise" Democrats_win Jul 2013 #23

I prolly should change the OP title, my point being is I don't think the vast amount of them were... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #26

Also deregulated the airlines, truebluegreen Jul 2013 #31

Of course that is why Kennedy challenged him because he wasn't liberal enough. WI_DEM Jul 2013 #28

Jimmy wasn't real popular period. .. spin Jul 2013 #29

I remember all of that,and the gas lines got old fast Go Vols Jul 2013 #44

As I said Jimmy Carter had unbelievably bad luck while President but ... spin Jul 2013 #67

I remember going to Boston in 1978 HoneychildMooseMoss Jul 2013 #89

except the economy was worse in Reagan's first term than it was in Carter's hfojvt Jul 2013 #45

Let's not forget Carter's bad luck. ... spin Jul 2013 #70

Jimmy Carter got stuck with LBJ and Richard Nixon's inflation problem. roamer65 Jul 2013 #72

I totally agree. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #81

Every single Dem President dennis4868 Jul 2013 #30

That's a serious exaggeration. Daemonaquila Jul 2013 #39

right.. dennis4868 Jul 2013 #47

That is an unequivocable lie. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #42

but its true... dennis4868 Jul 2013 #48

Back when he was "born again" and attracted Michele Bachmann to work on his campaign... cascadiance Jul 2013 #32

He's still 'born again' his religious views haven't changed. WI_DEM Jul 2013 #34

I know he's always been a good Christian. Hard to say though about other "born agains"... cascadiance Jul 2013 #37

He sure was. I work for the federal government and my Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #35

+1 from another southerner X_Digger Jul 2013 #53

Yep. That's right. It's easy to sit on the sideline and express disappointment on a message forum... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #97

I imagine that's an eye-opening experience (working inside the beltway w/ politicians). n/t X_Digger Jul 2013 #99

So what? Daemonaquila Jul 2013 #36

Raygun = so what? I don't think so, tearing down the president and criticizing is 2 different things uponit7771 Jul 2013 #64

Actually, no. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #41

no. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46

I think liberals were pretty loyal to him -- TBF Jul 2013 #49

Bullshit. The far Left split and weakened the party. Sometimes is is better to work bluestate10 Jul 2013 #94

To a supporter of two parties that makes sense - TBF Jul 2013 #102

I have always been part of the "left" and there has never been a moment when I hated him. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #50

Carter was despised by Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy - liberal heroes... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #51

Yep, if we could just get rid of the left this country would be a paradise n/t Fumesucker Jul 2013 #95

The only time I hated Jimmy Carter was during the Muriel boat lift RebelOne Jul 2013 #52

I think you're mixed up. snot Jul 2013 #54

Yep. Conservatives hated Carter. Not the left. Zorra Jul 2013 #55

Funny how people have selective memories on this subject. Rex Jul 2013 #58

I know what you mean. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #68

I don't know about the Left, but some conservative dems Rex Jul 2013 #57

The left went for Ted Kennedy in 1980 and the party never united before the election. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #60

thx, sounds like Kennedy didn't want to help Carter at all uponit7771 Jul 2013 #66

He didn't, but there was little chance the country would reelect Carter anyway. Deep13 Jul 2013 #77

If The Inner Toobs Had Existed... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #61

Ding, ding, ding -- we have a winner! greatauntoftriplets Jul 2013 #79

Uh Oh... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #98

I'm going through a bad case of MIRT withdrawal. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2013 #100

I was sometimes dismayed by Carter, but I never hated him Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #62

Thanks for the informative post. I hadn't realized the friction between Carter and old guard. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #65

Carter did have some say over interest rates. roamer65 Jul 2013 #73

Yeap, seems common; Carter was undercut by other dems wanting power too uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

The official Democratic Party is simply so far removed from a major portion of the rank and file. Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #69

FUD? BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #71

Sounds good to me, Gore running away from Clinton seems like he listened to the detractors uponit7771 Jul 2013 #75

Yes, his arrogance cost us the world. BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #83

No, he listened to the Turd Way. Come on now, this was just a little while back. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #92

Yes, he was significantly more conservative than LBJ on social spending. Deep13 Jul 2013 #76

Don't recall 'hate,' elleng Jul 2013 #78

What I remember..Mr.Carter was considered by nearly all as a Moral Man, but that isn't what... Tikki Jul 2013 #80

Yup, you have it right. Carter scolded us for our materialistic ways. roamer65 Jul 2013 #82

I find it amusing that people don't know........... Historic NY Jul 2013 #84

Yeah, remember when Democrats were so Democratic that Carter seemed like a rightist? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #86

I recommend everyone view President Carter's July 15, 1979 speech. roamer65 Jul 2013 #87

The Democratic Party Beltway brats hated Carter primaried him and when he won they all Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #90

The Carter era, as I recall it, was marked by enormous political apathy struggle4progress Jul 2013 #93

Translation: The left are just haters who never loved Obama Marrah_G Jul 2013 #101

He was primaried by Ted Kennedy for being a deregulator Recursion Jul 2013 #103

When disingenuous callouts go bad... Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #105