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ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
46. I suggested a different interpretation...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

...of the OP, without going into details, because your interpretation was absurd in my estimation. That is, you created a false either/or choice, where criticizing Obama's current attempt at a grand bargain is tantamount to saying he should do nothing.

So yes, you are changing the subject when you try to engage me on specifics. I was objecting to your characterization of the OP and suggested another more reasonable (IMO) interpretation.

But sure, I'll play. From the article:

"House Republicans have long opposed a tax overhaul that changes the code for corporations but not for individuals. Owners of small businesses who use the individual tax code would be at a disadvantage if only the corporate tax rate were cut, they say."

So this latest proposal seems to be to cut corporate tax rates; the Republicans are objecting because it doesn't go far enough -- they think we should also cut rates in the individual tax code.

The Republicans, seeing that corporate tax rates are on offer, will of course now insist that further rate cuts be offered. If Obama does offer such a thing, they will of course then insist that the cuts aren't big enough. And so on. That is why I say it is futile.

I am against cutting corporate tax rates in the first place; they should be raised, not lowered. That is why I say it is wrong.

What would not be futile and wrong, would be a full court press for a truly progressive agenda that would include a living wage, a guaranteed minimum income, massive spending on infrastructure, and many other things. Yes, of course it would be met with fury and outrage by the Republicans in Congress. So what! Get the people behind it first, push it, fight for it.

This constant chipping around the edges is ineffective to say the least. Furthermore, the only way to promote our own agenda is to actually propose and fight for our own agenda. What we see instead is olive branches offered to rabid jackals, who have no interest whatsoever in doing anything productive. So call them out on it directly, not by constantly offering them a bit of this and a bit of that, apparently thinking that the electorate will be impressed and will somehow connect the dots to see the Republicans as obstructionists.

Yes, the Republicans are obstructionists. The only way to fight it is to go on heavy offense. Instead we get "grand bargain" proposals, offering cuts to corporate tax rates for crying out loud. That is weak.

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Of Course, Ma'am: That Is Why These Are Floated In The First Place The Magistrate Jul 2013 #1
I doubt that that's the intent, or at least the main gist of it cali Jul 2013 #5
You Are Turning Into A Parody Of Yourself, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jul 2013 #16
+1 Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #18
With a lot of spare time, apparently LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #24
Judging by their relative post counts... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #36
something you've been of yourself for years and years cali Jul 2013 #39
You Need To Write Your Own Lines, Ma'am, If You Want To Prevail In An Exercise Of That Sort The Magistrate Jul 2013 #41
+1 JaneyVee Jul 2013 #7
I agree that is the operating theory cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #12
That, Sir, is Certainly An Arguable Point The Magistrate Jul 2013 #14
Republicans have not refused to accept anything. They accepted the jobs creating "free trade" AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #13
Why do you let rethugs off the hook so readily? Very puzzling for a Dem site. babylonsister Jul 2013 #23
Very puzzling that anyone would think that this is letting rethugs off the hook for anything. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #25
Exactly, the repubs are using the debt ceiling as... lyonn Jul 2013 #35
That's it in a nut shell! Perfect! Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #45
Nicely stated. KoKo Jul 2013 #32
I think that if that is the strategy they are pursuing, they aren't going about it in the right way n2doc Jul 2013 #15
People are getting tired of the play acting and the pretense of caring matthews Jul 2013 #28
+2 sheshe2 Jul 2013 #17
"Not the Republican" is a losing strategy for 2014. If Democrats want to win in 2014, they ... Scuba Jul 2013 #47
Republicans need to see what their PUG whore leaders really look like think Jul 2013 #2
I suspect this wasnt a shocker to the President either. DCBob Jul 2013 #3
We're still suffering under a sequester. I am not impressed with this "strategy." morningfog Jul 2013 #6
As I said the situation seems different this time. DCBob Jul 2013 #10
One big difference- Obama isn't running for re-election n2doc Jul 2013 #31
Obama's concessions and the predictable Republican Broward Jul 2013 #4
If you were Obama, what would you do instead? tridim Jul 2013 #34
American Taliban. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8
If a broken clock is right twice a day mick063 Jul 2013 #11
Who will help the poor billionaires? Octafish Jul 2013 #19
Sad but true lyonn Jul 2013 #38
Since the Balloon crashed and burned, expect what he really proposes to lean even further Right ... Myrina Jul 2013 #20
+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #27
Me too. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #33
Actual Headline "Obama to offer new 'grand bargain' on taxes, infrastructure projects" snooper2 Jul 2013 #21
So are you suggesting that Obama shouldn't even have tried? pnwmom Jul 2013 #22
He keeps getting burned AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #29
Or maybe the suggestion is... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #37
Wrong in what way? Boehner's objecting because he thinks it might raise business taxes. pnwmom Jul 2013 #40
You asked, and I quote: ljm2002 Jul 2013 #42
You said "futile and wrong." So how is it changing the subject to ask "wrong in what way"? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #44
I suggested a different interpretation... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #46
Starve the beast OLDBRO Jul 2013 #26
I don't know who could have seen that coming. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #30
Problem with that new thing of his... Xyzse Jul 2013 #43
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