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134. Heaven Forbid!! Propaganda V. Propaganda!

Reply to Vinnie From Indy (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:07 PM

Jul 2013

Who will win??? Prop A says Prop B is spying on all of Prop A, based on a reliable source who isn't the issue.. however that works.. and Prop B, rather than grabbing their socks, tells Prop A to prove it and laughs hardily at Prop A's insistence that the word 'reliable' is immune to any scrutiny because its not about the 'reliable' messenger… however that works. Prop A goes ballistic! 'How dares anyone question our 'reliable' source - He's just 'reliable', ok? Eat it, or you're a pooper on the Constitution, you STASI lovers!!' Who will win???

Meanwhile, some poor woman is being forced to pay for a mandatory transvaginal ultrasound, as she raises her hand and says, 'Um, hey, people, my rights are actually being violated here… anyone? Help?'

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NSA contractors, BOA and Chamber of Commerce caught in plan to smear critics in online forums! [View all] Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 OP

Lately it seems like a campaign here to laugh at idea of paid shills. NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1

Yeah so now all DUers are heroes suffering oppression uhnope Jul 2013 #58

Hmmm...vote? Diego_Native 2012 Jul 2013 #62

Right, blame the victim. bemildred Jul 2013 #79

Right on time marions ghost Jul 2013 #80

spooky agencies would want people to waste time venting in forums uhnope Jul 2013 #116

OK marions ghost Jul 2013 #119

tribalism, check. Juvenile insult, check. Paranoia, check. uhnope Jul 2013 #124

Maybe you need to hang out marions ghost Jul 2013 #132

So what's the value of a point nowadays? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #143

Yes, some people do seem to spend their entire lives here, attacking, mostly the 'left' and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #85

Absolutely..."Since the internet is being used to do this, KoKo Jul 2013 #90

Smearing and disrupting arikara Jul 2013 #111

Tell us how you really feel! Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #127

Now he has a liberal bent? burnodo Jul 2013 #2

You're right. This is chilling. Catherina Jul 2013 #3

Their ProPaganda is very evident here. Scuba Jul 2013 #4

A very SENSible comment. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #29

And here I thought this board was filled with Flaming Dems... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #54

Well, just guessing Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #60

I'd just be dithering at this point. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #64

They have the boards all kittywampus! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #65

Nice callout!!!11 tridim Jul 2013 #81

LOL Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #110

Oh, that's comedy gold! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #140

Excellent callout!!!11 tridim Jul 2013 #82

Would suggesting some are shill-enablers or sycophants be a "callout" as well? truebrit71 Jul 2013 #99

Prosense, working for the Chamber of Commerce, with her her years of sourced, progressive posts. tridim Jul 2013 #76

I have no idea what you're talking about. Scuba Jul 2013 #77

Uh huh. nt tridim Jul 2013 #78

You really need to take classes in veiled sarcasm Arkana Jul 2013 #120

Don't feed the clowns. ProSense Jul 2013 #88

I remember people viciously defending OperationMindCrime Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #113

Prosense isn't a troll as you just implied. tridim Jul 2013 #115

I actually don't think she is Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #117

Quit Dithering! The Sidtuation is series!!1!1! appal_jack Jul 2013 #83

I arely know wha to say. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #86

Don't Stubbs yer toe on the Staircase, Freddie. n/t appal_jack Jul 2013 #89

Best argument ever: Claim other people's opinion is "ProPaganda" ProSense Jul 2013 #87

You must have meant to reply to a different post. Scuba Jul 2013 #94

I don't think that particular poster has the good sense to get paid for her efforts Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #112

Gee, what a surprise Warpy Jul 2013 #5

K & R malaise Jul 2013 #6

malaise, the scumbags pointed to here include me flamingdem Jul 2013 #103

No I don't think you're a paid poster malaise Jul 2013 #107

good! flamingdem Jul 2013 #108

Was this posted before your Greenwald OP history was posted? Marr Jul 2013 #142

so the obama bashing is organized? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #7

Goodbye, arley. sibelian Jul 2013 #9

I will take that as a yes nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #10

Damn! sibelian's been doing a 'Night of the Long Knives' lately! randome Jul 2013 #17

I guess, at least the part sourced in the intelligence community of course. Pholus Jul 2013 #11

Do you seriously not care that we are being manipulated by right wing organizations? last1standing Jul 2013 #13

You are being manipulated? randome Jul 2013 #16

There are some who are definitely trying. last1standing Jul 2013 #19

Did S&G steal anything that shows illegality or abuse by the NSA? randome Jul 2013 #22

Yes, as Wyden, Udall, and nearly half of the House will tell you. last1standing Jul 2013 #24

I said S&G. randome Jul 2013 #25

It's difficult to get "hard evidence" when this administration refuses to release it. last1standing Jul 2013 #27

The very definition of 'whistleblower' is someone who shows evidence of illegality or abuse. randome Jul 2013 #31

I'd be glad to take the discussion of Snowden off the table to focus on the issues. last1standing Jul 2013 #34

Three cheers for finding common ground! randome Jul 2013 #39

Congrats on the new job! last1standing Jul 2013 #52

Perhaps when you do another thread you could ponder the difference between A Simple Game Jul 2013 #55

What, metadata copies? randome Jul 2013 #59

Do you really believe they are collecting all of that data and not at least A Simple Game Jul 2013 #66

'Honestly' believe? Honesty comes from looking at truth. Evidence. Facts. randome Jul 2013 #135

I for one Caretha Jul 2013 #74

Thanks for the kind wishes! randome Jul 2013 #136

"we are being manipulated by right wing organizations" ljm2002 Jul 2013 #139

Can you believe the hypocrisy? treestar Jul 2013 #72

It sounds like Aaron Barr's a a-hole. But sadly, there's been a consulting industry to disrupt struggle4progress Jul 2013 #8

Without the support of people like Glenn WikiLeaks would fold PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #12

I guess we have to ask ourselves: Who has been posting out of context smears? last1standing Jul 2013 #14

B of A and the USCOC, eh? Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #15

'NSA-related companies'. Some off-the-grid yahoos who wanted to be spies, most likely. randome Jul 2013 #18

You mean like these "off-the-grid" yahoos? Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #28

PRISM, from what we know, relates to foreign communications only. randome Jul 2013 #36

"If anyone has evidence that shows otherwise" Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #46

I does help to read the OP before replying! Rex Jul 2013 #95

I was responding to the characterization of PRISM as an 'massive Internet-mining program'. randome Jul 2013 #137

Well there are the cynical HB Gary types and then the faux naives. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #53

Palintar's software was praised by Joe Biden Progressive dog Jul 2013 #118

You say that like it's a bad thing Fumesucker Jul 2013 #20

Good reminder that corporate tools love to lie about Greenwald. nt/ DirkGently Jul 2013 #21

And ratfuckers love Greenwald and Hamsher. SO EASY to attack the Left from the Left... KittyWampus Jul 2013 #35

Ratfuckers are Nixonians. Nixon would love the NSA. Like you. DirkGently Jul 2013 #57

Anyone proclaiming there are no paid shills posting on DU . . . . . Divernan Jul 2013 #23

Frankly I don't see what can be done. zeemike Jul 2013 #30

Push Skinner to ban the shills. Especially target the high-post-count shills. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #61

How would you know? zeemike Jul 2013 #68

Paid shills. LOL! Ratfuckers (Republicans) parading as Lefties do it for free. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #33

It's now proven that cynical assholes do it for $$$. delrem Jul 2013 #45

DU would be near #1 on their list! delrem Jul 2013 #42

Some of their representatives are probably posting on this thread right now. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #49

Heh. You don't have to say. delrem Jul 2013 #67

plus one questionseverything Jul 2013 #69

I'm with you. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #70

I'm finding.... KoKo Jul 2013 #91

Skinner is in complete denial on the shill problem. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #93

I think he's said "Trash Thread" and "Ignore" are the ways he's given us KoKo Jul 2013 #97

AS opposed to actually getting rid of the ProSHILLS that stink this place up... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #98

Yep. Using ignore just allows the shills to continue to pollute the site. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #100

Indeed.. truebrit71 Jul 2013 #102

If you don't see them...then they don't exist. There's plenty of informative KoKo Jul 2013 #109

Thanks for the tip. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #96

Agree...that some disinfo posts are worth trying to engage in to bring reason. KoKo Jul 2013 #104

It was terrible when Issa was "investigating," Benghazi, read smearing the Obama adminsitration JDPriestly Jul 2013 #121

They have a cadre of them over on the Environment/Energy group, too. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #105

This website is not a Dem charity ...it is a money making enterprise. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #63

True....see post #91 for ways to deal with it... KoKo Jul 2013 #92

The paid shills if they exist are attackers from the left treestar Jul 2013 #73

I disagree..they are attackers from the right and centre CLAIMING that "the left" are the ones... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #101

Yep, just like being told you have to wait for good policy. Rex Jul 2013 #125

good post G_j Jul 2013 #84

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #26

SO Vinny, what about the ratfuckers attacking the Left from the Left? The Libertarian/Greens who KittyWampus Jul 2013 #32

I am not sure any attacks by anyone will "blow up" the party. Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #41

The Third Way Democrats are who these HBGary types are. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #48

I suggest you drop the term 'ratfuckers'. delrem Jul 2013 #50

HEY VINNY- there've already been multiple Libertarian trolls getting tombstones after their threads KittyWampus Jul 2013 #37

You mean like this one... Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #114

I'm sure They Are Doing Everything They Can to Depress Dem Turnout Skraxx Jul 2013 #38

Greenwald's dupes are too dense to figure that out. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #40

Dupes, Suckers or Shills? Skraxx Jul 2013 #44

Obama can put an end to the influence of these companies within his administration JDPriestly Jul 2013 #47

Ugly, ugly, ugly. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #43

I agree completely! Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #56

There's an interesting passage in David Graeber's The Democracy Project starroute Jul 2013 #51

Given revelations the last couple of years....and longer but increasing KoKo Jul 2013 #123

What strikes me is not that they do it, but who "they* are starroute Jul 2013 #133

I don't think it's all RW... KoKo Jul 2013 #145

Why are these people immune from criticism? treestar Jul 2013 #71

K&R and glad you reposted this. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #75

Nah, no money trail there. I am sure they are all innocent and Rex Jul 2013 #106

If there are posters here that you feel are paid disrupters or such, why not put them Flatulo Jul 2013 #122

Funny how you infer the OP is about DU. Rex Jul 2013 #126

Funny indeed. I bet it means something. Flatulo Jul 2013 #128

Paid shills can be useful tools if you understand their M.O. think Jul 2013 #129

If silliness and paranoia paid as well as forum disrupting, there would be fewer Marxists on DU. Flatulo Jul 2013 #130

Great Find!!!!!! K & R! Thanks so much for getting this info out on DU. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #131

Heaven Forbid!! Propaganda V. Propaganda! railsback Jul 2013 #134

I don't think concern for the one denies concern for the other... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #138

Public discourse drives the narrative railsback Jul 2013 #141

K&R marions ghost Jul 2013 #144