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RainDog

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83. The conservative view is that family should do these things
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jul 2013

And, yes, families do do these things. But not all families have the same resources and some families are broken, due to no fault of any child that is part of it, or the adults, too. There is no reason for people to suffer when this nation has so much wealth. No reason other than hatred and greed. Well, except that such a view is also highly patriarchal and repressive for women and children and also breeds racism and jingoism rather than openness and appreciation of the creativity of difference.

The conservative view seems to be that, if you experience misfortune, too bad. Deal. Pick yourself up. Well, yes, we all want to deal and pick ourselves up and go on - the conservative seems incapable of understanding that sometimes things happen to people that impact their capacity to do these things. It's like... my experience is the only one that counts. But, realistically, anyone with the slightest bit of "common sense" knows that's not how the world works.

Conservatives also use the family as a way to continue systems that are highly dysfunctional for some people. For most people. They view children as property and think they should be able to determine reality for that child. That's not the thinking of a good parent, but they don't see that, either, because they're so protective of their worldview - they have to be because their worldview doesn't correspond to reality. The consequence is that they hurt all children, and society, by trying to force their erroneous views of the world on everyone.

Economic arguments - I cannot tell you the number of times conservatives have claimed Western Europe was failing while the U.S. was thriving - in spite of data that indicates this, too, is bullshit. But, for 20 years, conservatives have made this same argument, simply because they have demonized social democracy - or the mix of individual effort and a social safety net. A nurturing society also nurtures entrepreneurs and frees them from health care via an employer, or total devastation if someone does try and fail. This is not the way a reasonable society functions.

So, yeah, a debate about the actual value of one system vs. another would be great - but, when you have people who can't tell the difference between Sweden's social democracy and Stalin's totalitarian oppression and total state control - well, it's hard to have those conversations. The biggest irony, of course, is that Americans favor a nation with income distribution like Sweden - and they think this is what it's like in the U.S. when the reality is that America has a feudal system of income distribution in place. Because conservatives have created scare quotes for social democracy, people refuse to accept that the way a nation achieves that more equal nation, in terms of income and opportunity and safety, is through taxation on wealth.

I've mentioned here, before, a great book I read a while back called The Divine Right of Capital. A businesswoman wrote about the way that this nation failed, during the Enlightenment era that created this representative democracy, to overthrow the myth that wealth deserves its privilege (and this failure is America's "original sin" in the form of slavery.)

We were able to grok that there is no "divine right of kings," no logical claim to hereditary power - and this holds true for those who, through the accident of birth, are treated as privileged beings who deserve better treatment than anyone else in this nation.

Since a strong middle class is the best indicator of a strong democracy, and since a strong middle class was created by the New Deal and the opportunities made available to those from all parts of society, I have to conclude that conservatives, ultimately, despise democracy. Those who are not wealthy who vote for conservatives vote for their own servitude. I suppose they think their supplicating deference to wealth will give them an advantage when scrambling for crumbs that fall from the table of wealth.

No wonder they loved Reagan who told them to beg and deal with it. He just left out the part where he laughed about the scam he was selling.

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One trend the author seems to note snot Jul 2013 #1
Definitely worth a look..I remember KoKo Jul 2013 #32
Wow! A doctoral thesis comparing MineralMan Jul 2013 #2
They should have just taped two hysterical people Maximumnegro Aug 2013 #90
This is wild. She even cites specific DUers. There's a lot of info in this. Gregorian Jul 2013 #3
Who does she cite? Mr. David Jul 2013 #4
Landshark, Tainted Chimp, another I've forgotten. Gregorian Jul 2013 #5
I definitely picked up more sympathy for DU than Freepville in what I've read Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #9
cwepler is one she quoted on page 26. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #14
I'm footnote 81. bananas Jul 2013 #77
Ahhh..the Landshark and Voting Rights Days on DU... KoKo Jul 2013 #33
Will never forget it. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #49
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Um, that Appendix is not the author's writing; she's just including a post by a DU'er. snot Jul 2013 #11
That wasn't clear. Thanks. Gregorian Jul 2013 #15
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I'm definitely bookmarking this. I read quite a bit but will get back to it Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #7
i remember her NMDemDist2 Jul 2013 #8
A call for what? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #10
if we agreed to her using 'us' n/t NMDemDist2 Jul 2013 #29
I remember it well, too. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #19
I have a 270 page pdf in my files but no link, from 2008. Is this she? Hekate Jul 2013 #28
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Yes, the author quotes quite a few of us. snot Jul 2013 #16
I was just surprised to see my (old) name... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #18
I feel left out. Of course, this was written before I came to DU and long MineralMan Jul 2013 #17
LOL from page 47 ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #20
One of the author's observations is snot Jul 2013 #22
I noticed that.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #24
That is maybe because right-wingers have almost no sense of humor. pangaia Jul 2013 #37
I think it may have originated on DU. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23
It most certainly did. RC Jul 2013 #45
The mispelled word was 'moron', spelled 'moran' on the sign. It has now become legend sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53
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now i know how "moran" got started northoftheborder Jul 2013 #78
Fascinating! RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #21
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From page 55...... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #26
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As an aside, PCIntern Jul 2013 #30
LOL! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #68
bookmarking to read later RainDog Jul 2013 #31
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I remember this. LWolf Jul 2013 #35
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.......... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #40
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I read most of it, skimmed through parts ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #46
tag. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #48
interesting albeit was written in 2008 azurnoir Jul 2013 #50
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I find this creepy, frankly. Yeah, yeah, "Internet." Still, one would prefer to think of this board WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55
It got her a job at Florida State. rug Jul 2013 #58
Cool Find! On thread I suggested she should Re-Visit her Doctoral Thesis KoKo Jul 2013 #59
I can't wait to read the chapter on the Lounge. rug Jul 2013 #61
Another of her observations snot Jul 2013 #62
I know it's about content - but that first sentence...surely it's not gramatically correct Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #64
Yes. Range is also a verb RainDog Jul 2013 #66
Thanks RainDog...of course I should have looked it up myself. I guess Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #69
I read it like "grazed" RainDog Jul 2013 #74
Well, I since 2004, I have NEVER seen anyone show two sides of anything. It is always just OUR Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #79
There is more than one side here RainDog Jul 2013 #80
We, the left, and all variations, have goodness on our side. When you strip away all the politics Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #81
The conservative view is that family should do these things RainDog Jul 2013 #83
very interesting RD Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #85
Dunbar's Number? RainDog Jul 2013 #86
DU has two daddies! RainDog Jul 2013 #67
+! snot Jul 2013 #70
A partial list of those quoted: DainBramaged, Annabanana, TahitiNut KurtNYC Jul 2013 #73
If I remember, the paper took one DU task and the DUer was livid LanternWaste Jul 2013 #75
One Sentence... Historic NY Jul 2013 #76
Is anybody going to wade in over at FR and tell them about her diss? mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #82
Not me LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #84
"AGONISTIC DEMOCRACY AND THE NARRATIVE OF DISTEMPERED ELITES" delrem Aug 2013 #87
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