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ProSense

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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:50 PM

Jul 2013

I'm sorry. You really don't understand.

"No healthy democracy can endure when the most consequential acts of those in power remain secret and unaccountable." -- Glenn Greenwald

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/whistleblowers-and-leak-investigations/print

...Greenwald, and his platitudes don't impress me.

Greenwald:

(2) Whether domestic assassinations are imminent is irrelevant to the debate

The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.

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Um, bullshit!

The President is advocating a drone strike program in America. All we have to compare it with is the drone strike program overseas.

http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120

Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711

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Greenwald: NSA hearing cancelled [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Lo Siento Mucho, Glenn. Pobrecito. MineralMan Jul 2013 #1

Despite your need to Greenwald-bash, this is a good thing. last1standing Jul 2013 #2

do we know what he wants to talk about? grasswire Jul 2013 #3

I doubt they give him a choice in the matter. last1standing Jul 2013 #9

wait. grasswire Jul 2013 #23

He may, but I have every confidence NSA abuses will be brought up. last1standing Jul 2013 #26

Yes, it's a "good thing," but ProSense Jul 2013 #5

Pass the smelling salts! Someone whined! last1standing Jul 2013 #7

So you admit he "whined," but you're upset he's being criticized for it? ProSense Jul 2013 #11

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #14

You're claiming I "whined" because you're upset I'm criticizing Greenwald for whining? ProSense Jul 2013 #17

Nope. I'm claiming you've posted a whine because you've posted a whine. last1standing Jul 2013 #20

OK, Greenwald is whining and I criticized him. We agree! ProSense Jul 2013 #22

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Don't accuse me of lying. It's shows desperation on your part, and ProSense Jul 2013 #27

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No, and your denial is a FAIL. "I'm not calling you a liar" ProSense Jul 2013 #35

I said you posted lies, I do not define you by a single type of action. last1standing Jul 2013 #37

And I said your claim is disingenuous and shows desperation on your part. ProSense Jul 2013 #38

You think you "exposed" her? You did nothing but Cha Jul 2013 #82

Stop your whining! Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #32

LOL! last1standing Jul 2013 #34

That article is from two months ago. Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #13

7/30/13 is two month ago? tridim Jul 2013 #31

Yes, in wag the dog years. great white snark Jul 2013 #43

lol Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #86

DUzy! FSogol Jul 2013 #103

This one: deurbano Jul 2013 #58

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #60

Depends on what you mean by frequently. deurbano Jul 2013 #64

Right, ProSense Jul 2013 #71

Not really. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #120

Well, if dinner is the criteria, you got me. Forget the other meetings. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #121

Fucking Obama. He is behind this I tell ya!!! Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #4

so they'll reschedule Enrique Jul 2013 #6

LOL Blame Obama!!1! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #8

Thanks, Obama! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #10

Well I guess that completely destroys your repeated contention that Greenwald and Snowden are Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #12

Now now, I am sure it was just a mere coinkeedink that Rex Jul 2013 #16

Huh? ProSense Jul 2013 #19

That statement seems pretty unambiguous and self-explanatory, but let me know if you Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #21

I know, mean Obama strikes again. ProSense Jul 2013 #25

Well, the thing is that Pres. Obama is a consumate politician Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #30

LOL! Shrewd Obama. ProSense Jul 2013 #39

Yes, it's not like Greenwald knows how to use a phone or anything. randome Jul 2013 #54

Greenwald is a legend in his own mind Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #67

I think the reason Obama found a "sudden and newfound interest" in them... kentuck Jul 2013 #15

Man, you are just putty in Greenwald's hand. great white snark Jul 2013 #40

I agree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #42

I agree too. What pisses me off is that they're supposed to Skip Intro Jul 2013 #73

Yeah, its not like Obama meets with Congressional Democrats all the time railsback Jul 2013 #83

Thanks, Obama. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #18

more blackmail from Obama JI7 Jul 2013 #28

or all those OWS protestors killed in houston. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #68

Do you as a person, think it is proper for people who are peacefully protesting mrdmk Jul 2013 #99

no and that isnt what i am referring to arely staircase Jul 2013 #110

Please invite Tice, Binney, Drake, Edmonds, & Wiebe when rescheduled..... think Jul 2013 #33

Put them all under oath and I'm fine with that. Including Greenwald. randome Jul 2013 #53

Tice was ready in 2006 but was told congress didn't have clearance think Jul 2013 #56

Tice last worked for the NSA in 2005. randome Jul 2013 #57

Who could he tell if he couldn't even tell congress's intelligence committees? think Jul 2013 #59

I confess I don't understand that, either. randome Jul 2013 #74

He's blaming Obama? What's new? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #36

And his disciples are following suit. great white snark Jul 2013 #41

Well of course they are. And everybody else is an agent of NSA, BOA, or the Chamber of Commerce. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #49

Thanks, Obama! Whisp Jul 2013 #44

Posting to pooh pooh I see... dkf Jul 2013 #45

The fact that Greenwald is whining is both "the truth" and a "joke." ProSense Jul 2013 #46

You aren't doing Obama any favors. dkf Jul 2013 #50

If that's your goal, you aren't. It's not mine. ProSense Jul 2013 #55

i have wondered for a while now if pro questionseverything Jul 2013 #79

That news shouldn't make anyone who cares about the Bill of Rights happy... Octafish Jul 2013 #47

Funny, I care about the Bill of Rights and Greenwald's whine is still hilarious. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #48

Really? Wouldn't know it from reading your posts. Octafish Jul 2013 #61

Please, ProSense Jul 2013 #72

If that disqualifies him in your mind as a journalist, you may really not understand. Octafish Jul 2013 #85

Oh ProSense Jul 2013 #91

I'm sorry. You really don't understand. Octafish Jul 2013 #93

More than ProSense Jul 2013 #94

So you're intentionally missing the point. That's different. Octafish Jul 2013 #97

Here's the deal: You believe in Greenwald. I do not. Period. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #102

No. I believe in Greenwald and the RIGHT of all journalists to state what they think. Octafish Jul 2013 #105

Greenwald is not a journalist. He writes flawed commentaries. ProSense Jul 2013 #106

If you don't believe Greenwald, you automatically hate the Bill of Rights railsback Jul 2013 #84

No. That's a propaganda technique... Octafish Jul 2013 #88

LOL Greenwald is such a self important little fuck isn't he? phleshdef Jul 2013 #51

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #52

That's low, even for you. n/t ljm2002 Jul 2013 #75

What's low is Grayson thinking he could get away with showboating on the taxpayer's dime railsback Jul 2013 #80

No, what's low... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #89

Google search turns up two instances of "Grayson" + "fleece" Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #92

I'd like to know which meeting was scheduled first. Whisp Jul 2013 #62

Agree! We know there was something up the Green sleeve flamingdem Jul 2013 #69

So now it's a conspiracy... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #76

how is the conspiratorial, it's politics! Whisp Jul 2013 #77

Horse pucky. ljm2002 Jul 2013 #78

I'm disappointed in Grayson for jumping on the Glennwagon so soon. Whisp Jul 2013 #81

He "couldn't keep up with new information"... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #90

bashing good solid progressive President Obama has been a sport here for years. Whisp Jul 2013 #96

It is truly entertaining... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #98

No meltdown here. It's just a matter of time before Greenwald does himself in. Whisp Jul 2013 #104

Oh, it's a meltdown all right... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #107

Grayson showed really bad judgement by associating with GG. Whisp Jul 2013 #109

Not surprising... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #112

I see your Hair is Ablaze. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #113

And your Door is A Jar. n/t ljm2002 Jul 2013 #114

Knock Knock. No One's There. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #116

Indeed. n/t ljm2002 Jul 2013 #117

I'm not "disappointed" because I didn't expect anything Cha Jul 2013 #111

LOL. Someone certainly has an ego. I'm sorry he doesn't get to have his pretend "hearing" tritsofme Jul 2013 #63

I agree Andy823 Jul 2013 #70

greenwald now taking credit forbthe presidents schedule nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #65

Next, he'll be taking credit for making Obama eat salad. railsback Jul 2013 #66

Of course, GGreenwald is blaming the President.. Cha Jul 2013 #87

Thanks, Obama Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #95

You're Welcome Cha Jul 2013 #100

So Greenwald has manufactured yet another news cycle. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #101

Rescheduled deurbano Jul 2013 #108

It's a bummer the August recess is more important than the information... kentuck Jul 2013 #115

We need to keep the momentum going, in spite of the delay. deurbano Jul 2013 #119

Doesn't matter anyway. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #118