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usGovOwesUs3Trillion

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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:59 PM Jul 2013

NSA: Since Metadata is usually attached/embedded in Content, what is the procedure to separate it? [View all]

Last edited Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:12 AM - Edit history (3)

Metadata is big news these days, and even though many more folks know about this term than did say 10 years ago, thanks to mp3 players and 'smart'-phones, most people still do not have a deeper knowledge of what it is exactly, and how it is used.

In short, it is extra data/information used to describe the primary data/information (e.g. content/file like an image, mp3, video, document, etc.)

For example, when you take a picture on your phone, not only will the software save that picture (content/file) to your computer/disk, it will also add/attach extra information (often hidden) to the image file, e.g. location, timestamp, camera settings etc. automatically, usually to help categorize it.

Same thing with our mp3 files, we have software (e.g. iTunes) that helps us manage/organize all these files, and the most popular way to do this, is by adding extra information to the mp3 file itself, e.g. title, description, genre, year, cd, artist, album, etc. The software basically uses the same technique it used with photos, it adds/attaches metadata (extra information) about the mp3 (content) to the mp3 file itself.

This information is usually embedded/hidden in the file itself, and therefore always travels with the file, otherwise it would not be of much use.

Anyways, considering all this recent news, and especially the gov primary defense, "we are only harvesting and storing metadata" (nothing to see here, move along) it got me to thinking (smell the smoke) about it... and being a software professional, who relies on metadata daily to do my job, I could not help but be concerned about how they go about separating this metadata part of the file from the main file.

And then, how do they join it back together again once they have a suspect?

Knowing what I know about people, and the government, from my 50 miraculous years on this beautiful planet, I know that they will usually take the path of least resistance, and it begs the question if they even do separate it.

Either way, I think these questions need to be understood by our leaders on the hill, and then be asked to help us get to the truth of what is really going on.

Does the government force all these private companies to generate all these custom reports of JUST metadata on all their content? And then who stores the actual content that all this metadata references, the government, or the private companies?

If you see where I am going with this, I don't think it makes sense for this separation/joining of data, as it starts to get complex very quickly considering all the disparate data from all these different companies.

I think that the government is harvesting it all up (metadata and it's content) and then analyzing the metadata to decide what actual content to take a closer look at, which of course is right there in their possession as well.

Another question that needs to be addressed is the cost of all this, how can we afford to spy on the whole world when we can not even afford to fix our roads, bridges, schools, etc. nor find full employment for all of our people?

What does DU think, are they just harvesting the metadata, and having the companies store all the content for later retrieval, or are they sucking it all up?

UPDATE: Just got a ton of docs that answers a lot...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3378381

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Its a secret! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #1
Right.That's is the name of the guy operating NSA snack bar? RC Jul 2013 #3
Oh snap usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #32
Yep, Verizon has to listen to all my calls every Month before they send me a bill.... pkdu Jul 2013 #2
Not sure what that has to do with the NSA accessing all my data? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #6
Since you clearly didn't pause to ponder as I suggested , please see post #8 for a full explanation pkdu Jul 2013 #13
lol - sure, while i provided more content in one post than in all yours combined, right? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #16
You are correct in one sense , ie that " more content" equates to pkdu Jul 2013 #20
So says Mr. Content Free usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #21
Verizon does store your texts on a server and they can be GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #41
I read that on the inter tubes too , they project them onto big screens at lunchtime and all have pkdu Aug 2013 #42
It is technically true. GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #43
Could information be used illegally or abusively? Of course. randome Jul 2013 #4
Sorry, but you seem to be contradicting yourself with your snark (VIDEO) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9
Cite the evidence, then. Because nothing I've seen supports illegality or abuse. randome Jul 2013 #10
It's all over the www... but start with The Gaurdian (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #14
I'm not going to read every story the Guardian has published in the past month. randome Jul 2013 #22
I posted a convenient link to the docs. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #23
Always a pleasure! randome Jul 2013 #29
likewise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #40
I was under the assumption they were talking about tcp/ip headers PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #5
That is just one aspect of digital comms (network) but even that meta data is ATTACHED to the packet usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #7
here is something PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #12
www.sex.com may turn some off to the video but it does show how the metadata is attached to the cont usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #15
I found another on youtube without said text hopefully PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #17
nice usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #18
In telephony, the metadata never really sees the content jmowreader Jul 2013 #8
1. This is not just about old land lines. 2. As noted above TCP/IP traffic does have the data attach usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #11
They've separated metadata forever, in their reporting systems jmowreader Jul 2013 #24
That isn't the question. The question is what is the process to separate metadata from the content usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #27
So, since it is no big deal, why not make that data fully public, and allow us to see congress's The Straight Story Jul 2013 #19
Even today, especially with cell phones, the telcos log your calls for billing purposes. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #25
This isn't just about phone companies usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #36
Meta Data is just information ABOUT information.. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #26
Is there an echo here? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #28
Just putting it in simpler terms for the layman... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #30
ok thanks usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #31
Well in my work with cloud storage shawn703 Jul 2013 #33
Yep, no doubt it can be done, but how is it done usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #34
Just got a LOT of documentary evidence here (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #35
And they are talking about how they use metadata to find the content they want to spy on usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #37
That software is used to monitor foreign suspects, not citizens. randome Jul 2013 #38
Not according to first-hand accounts, and now even more documented evidence. (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #39
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