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MADem

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34. I was responding, with specificity, to the OP's assertion that torturers are greeted as
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jul 2013

"awesome" with two specific examples to the contrary.

Which "top torturers" received "Medals of Honor?"

Most recipients of that award are either dead, or grievously wounded in combat. So I'd really like a few names of "top torturers" who "received Medals of Honor" because I think your "facts" are way out of order.

I'm going to make it easy for you, too--here are the lists, with photos, of the servicemembers who were awarded the MoH post-Vietnam, so you'll find all the Iraq/Afghanistan awardees there. Please point out the torturers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-Vietnam_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

Is the late Robert Miller a torturer? He diverted the Taliban so his fellow servicemembers could escape and survive. How about Dakota Meyer, who rescued 36 people--23 of them Afghan allies--from certain death; is he a torturer?

How about the late Marine Corporal Jason Dunham, the late Army Spc. Ross McGinniss and the late Navy Petty Officer Mike Mansoor? They jumped on GRENADES to save the lives of their fellow servicemembers, and died in the process. Are they torturers?


You have the list of MoH awardees I have provided to you; now tell us--which ones are "torturers?" If you can't find any, and I don't think you can, you need to retract that statement you made. It is offensive in the extreme to those who have served in uniform. It's even more offensive to their families.

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That's just about the truth. Autumn Jul 2013 #1
He'd have probably gotten a bunch of medals, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #39
Manning didn't even know what he was telling anybody railsback Jul 2013 #2
Keep telling yourself that.... think Jul 2013 #3
Why would I have to 'keep telling myself that..' railsback Jul 2013 #5
No he did not. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #8
It's always best when you don't much about an issue, not to make definitive declarations about it. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28
Yeah, well, he wrote that during his court proceedings railsback Jul 2013 #37
Yes, there was mention of what he did, and why he did it in the chat logs. . sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38
Killing the shit out of people to bring them democracy~! Hydra Jul 2013 #4
Well, Lynndie England, Charles Graner, et. al. weren't given the "awesome" treatment. MADem Jul 2013 #6
And Manning? You really think he's going to get as little as them? Th1onein Jul 2013 #10
Of course not. I think he'll get twenty, and do half that if he behaves. MADem Jul 2013 #11
I agree that it's always "silly" to make a bet you're not likely to win. And you're not. Th1onein Jul 2013 #12
I can wait for the outcome. You've already decided that it's "Off with his head." MADem Jul 2013 #13
Don't be rude to me, MADem. Th1onein Jul 2013 #18
I'm not being rude. Talk about rude, you're the one that snarked about MADem Jul 2013 #21
I'm not going to bother with you anymore. Read what you want to in my posts. Th1onein Jul 2013 #27
Ah, so you're not going to give me a real number, then? MADem Jul 2013 #31
I find it odd that you hold others to a higher standard of civility than you obviously hold yourself LanternWaste Aug 2013 #61
Have you ever asked why those that perpetuated the system that allowed truedelphi Jul 2013 #57
BGen Karpinski was demoted to Colonel, IIRC. MADem Jul 2013 #58
Since you yourself used the expression "two wrongs" I guess I am now entitled truedelphi Aug 2013 #59
No "morality" about it. MADem Aug 2013 #60
I think that anyone who has any inkling truedelphi Aug 2013 #62
You play the "compare and contrast" game, and overlay a moral imperative upon it, MADem Aug 2013 #63
If Manning hit a woman soldier or officer truedelphi Aug 2013 #67
What do you mean, "if?" He DID. And he stole classified material and transferred it MADem Aug 2013 #68
They tortured people. Manning reported torture. Big difference. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32
I was responding, with specificity, to the OP's assertion that torturers are greeted as MADem Jul 2013 #34
I intended to say 'the Medal of Freedom'. It was given to people like Bremer, eg. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #35
The rare scapegoat convictions happened before Obama promised the CIA Dragonfli Jul 2013 #56
Yes. How dare he join the military and then protest that soldiers killed people. randome Jul 2013 #7
You really should watch this. Your heroes that Bradley fingered, in real life action! Zorra Jul 2013 #22
"that Bradley fingered" jberryhill Jul 2013 #26
You don't know the names? Of the War Criminals? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #36
The ones firing the shots in that video? jberryhill Jul 2013 #41
Who was president when these crimes were being committed on a regular basis in Iraq? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43
Was that a secret that Manning revealed? jberryhill Jul 2013 #50
Yes, it was a secret the Government TRIED to keep by refusing for two years to release the video sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51
And yet you still don't care who the names of the shooters are jberryhill Jul 2013 #52
Who ordered the shooters to fire on those people? Are you saying the same thing should sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53
Ah, George W. Bush's voice is clearly audible in the video giving that order jberryhill Jul 2013 #54
Warning!! Godwin's law about to be invoked! For those who object to learning from history only. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #55
Yeh, you know, like, turned over the evidence? Just because the MIC didn't prosecute them and Zorra Jul 2013 #44
??? What are you talking about. He reported TORTURE. It was his duty to do so. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33
War Crimes are Not only frowned upon by society in general, they are Illegal, too. (VIDEO) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #40
Bingo! You said it! Th1onein Jul 2013 #9
Good point. The drone pilots laughed when they blasted kids and reporters. Octafish Jul 2013 #14
Drones don't have pilots. They have remote operators. MADem Jul 2013 #17
And kids with reporters. I don't believe there were any kids involved in the Apache attack. randome Jul 2013 #19
No. The kids were hurt in the follow-up attack. Octafish Jul 2013 #23
There were two beautiful children who were left to die in the van, when those pilots shot their sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #47
"driving his children somewhere that day.." EX500rider Aug 2013 #73
Are you serious?? Even the US Government hasn't tried to come up with such nonsense. The sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #74
I had read somewhere that it had happened at 2am but.. EX500rider Aug 2013 #77
My mistake. Here's a link to the video. Octafish Jul 2013 #20
... SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #15
Ouch leftstreet Jul 2013 #16
He'd have his commission by now w/ a silver bar, and maybe a silver star kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #24
K and R bigwillq Jul 2013 #25
Ok, no. JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #29
John Burge of the Chicago Police Dept. tortured many blacks into confessing to murder mucifer Jul 2013 #30
It's too bad he also released hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables for no reason pnwmom Jul 2013 #42
It's too bad some modern day good American quasi-nazis believe that anything their government does, Zorra Jul 2013 #45
No one here is in that category. Everyone I know agrees that the helicopter videos pnwmom Jul 2013 #46
Honestly, I haven't seen any evidence of that among strong supporters of the MIC here. Zorra Jul 2013 #48
Then why didn't he release more info about "unspeakably wicked things" pnwmom Jul 2013 #49
I don't see anyone on this thread calling you names. MADem Aug 2013 #64
I'd be disgusted if my caliber as a sentient being was so low and easily transparent TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #65
Here's the bottom line. People that get rude and personal aren't taken seriously. nt MADem Aug 2013 #66
Unless they agree with you and then it is cool and froody or else by some strange definition TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #71
People who get rude and personal are not taken seriously. MADem Aug 2013 #72
True, your nasty running crew is a joke. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #78
You have one of those nice days, now. nt MADem Aug 2013 #79
And when a person considers all the puppet strings attached to that truedelphi Aug 2013 #75
A prisoner exchange should be in order. Manning exchanges his cell for Dubya's ranch. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #69
Sounds about right. You can kill for the government. You just can't tell the citizens of said liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #70
he did Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #76
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