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In reply to the discussion: Panama tries to arrest CIA agent on Interpol warrant, USA flies him to safety. [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)The scrams that Snowden must return to the United States all stem from the argument he has a warrant out for him. Despite the fact that we have no extradition treaty with Russia, that is not the problem. The problem is he must return, because he has a warrant out. There was and is a warrant out for Lady. Panama has signed extradition treaties. So Panama was technically legally required to return Lady to Italy.
Now, you can argue, and I'm sure many would agree that trial in absentia is improper. However, since we are doing it, and we are doing it in Guantanamo Bay Cuba, even today, yes this very year. The accused was prevented from attending a pre trial evidence hearing because the information was considered secret, so the Judge agreed that the accused would not be in the court room.
That is as bad as absentia wouldn't you agree?
My point is this. The Law and Order types all scream that you should stand trail for your crimes. But the reason Lady was tried in absentia, is despite buying a villa to retire to, one that was seized and sold to reimburse the innocent man they kidnapped, and tortured, he fled the country to avoid trial. So where is the outrage?
I think the Government should not be doing these things. They should not be spying on people. The Government should not be lying to the people, and should not be kidnapping and torturing people. The thin gauze of war on terror is bullshit. You know it, and I know it.
I appreciate the Whistle blowers like Snowden and Manning showing us a glimpse of a sliver of what is really going on. Because the truth is sadly lacking in far too many minds of the people. Now, with Manning and Snowden, our dedicated public servants have had to admit that they are telling the least untruthful lie under oath possible.
So we know they are lying, we need to know the truth. For some reason, the truth is the one thing we're not allowed to know ever.
So yes, I think it's funny that Lady has lost his villa. I think it's funny he had to flee Italy to avoid capture, trial, conviction, and imprisonment for his crimes. I think it is hilarious that a CIA team was caught and held accountable to some slight extent for the crimes they committed under the guise of defending the nation. But what really makes me laugh, is the way the law and order types are all so quick to ignore, or argue the opposite when the CIA is the ones running from Justice.
If people on here were not daily telling us how awful Snowden was for exposing those secrets while far worse things are being done by the Government every day I probably wouldn't get as much enjoyment from the image. But since so many, like yourself, are convinced that Snowden is a bastard, Greenwald is a liar, and have wrapped the argument in the law and order justice must be served clique, then yes. I find it hilarious.
So keep posting about how Snowden must come home to face Justice, while ignoring the escape of the CIA team from facing justice for the last decade, and we will keep laughing at the transparent arguments you all make.