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shawn703

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33. Well in my work with cloud storage

Reply to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 08:31 AM

Jul 2013

The technology does actually keep the metadata separate from the actual location - so you would have ~10PB for example of actual data "in the cloud", and in your local gateway you would have only a tiny fraction of that in metadata. When you look at the properties of what is presented locally, it would appear that you have 10PB of data there but it's only the metadata "stubs". Once you try to access the data, it gets pulled in from the cloud and you're good to go. If the actual data isn't available, disconnected etc., you would still see the metadata but just couldn't pull down the actual data. So yes it can be separated and still be available for searching of properties.

I wasn't aware that there was a claim that the government could "reattach" the data to the metadata. When I was reading it, I had the impression that they could search the From fields of emails for people who are receiving messages from a known terrorist, then at that point they could get a FISA warrant or whatever and start collecting all the data on those people. Did they say they could go back and get emails etc., that were transmitted prior to them turning up in a search?

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NSA: Since Metadata is usually attached/embedded in Content, what is the procedure to separate it? [View all] usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 OP

Its a secret! RobertEarl Jul 2013 #1

Right.That's is the name of the guy operating NSA snack bar? RC Jul 2013 #3

Oh snap usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #32

Yep, Verizon has to listen to all my calls every Month before they send me a bill.... pkdu Jul 2013 #2

Not sure what that has to do with the NSA accessing all my data? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #6

Since you clearly didn't pause to ponder as I suggested , please see post #8 for a full explanation pkdu Jul 2013 #13

lol - sure, while i provided more content in one post than in all yours combined, right? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #16

You are correct in one sense , ie that " more content" equates to pkdu Jul 2013 #20

So says Mr. Content Free usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #21

Verizon does store your texts on a server and they can be GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #41

I read that on the inter tubes too , they project them onto big screens at lunchtime and all have pkdu Aug 2013 #42

It is technically true. GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #43

Could information be used illegally or abusively? Of course. randome Jul 2013 #4

Sorry, but you seem to be contradicting yourself with your snark (VIDEO) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9

Cite the evidence, then. Because nothing I've seen supports illegality or abuse. randome Jul 2013 #10

It's all over the www... but start with The Gaurdian (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #14

I'm not going to read every story the Guardian has published in the past month. randome Jul 2013 #22

I posted a convenient link to the docs. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #23

Always a pleasure! randome Jul 2013 #29

likewise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #40

I was under the assumption they were talking about tcp/ip headers PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #5

That is just one aspect of digital comms (network) but even that meta data is ATTACHED to the packet usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #7

here is something PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #12

www.sex.com may turn some off to the video but it does show how the metadata is attached to the cont usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #15

I found another on youtube without said text hopefully PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #17

nice usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #18

In telephony, the metadata never really sees the content jmowreader Jul 2013 #8

1. This is not just about old land lines. 2. As noted above TCP/IP traffic does have the data attach usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #11

They've separated metadata forever, in their reporting systems jmowreader Jul 2013 #24

That isn't the question. The question is what is the process to separate metadata from the content usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #27

So, since it is no big deal, why not make that data fully public, and allow us to see congress's The Straight Story Jul 2013 #19

Even today, especially with cell phones, the telcos log your calls for billing purposes. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #25

This isn't just about phone companies usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #36

Meta Data is just information ABOUT information.. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #26

Is there an echo here? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #28

Just putting it in simpler terms for the layman... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #30

ok thanks usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #31

Well in my work with cloud storage shawn703 Jul 2013 #33

Yep, no doubt it can be done, but how is it done usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #34

Just got a LOT of documentary evidence here (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #35

And they are talking about how they use metadata to find the content they want to spy on usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #37

That software is used to monitor foreign suspects, not citizens. randome Jul 2013 #38

Not according to first-hand accounts, and now even more documented evidence. (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #39