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Scuba

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76. Your very first premise is wrong ...

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 08:54 AM

Jul 2013

"Democrat are not going to withdraw support from the Democratic Party because the President offered a CCPI proposal ..."

Yes, many voters who have supported Democratic candidates, including the President, are withdrawing support. They are rapidly becoming disenchanted with the Party and, in the absence of any supportable alternative, will stay home on election day.

Your being in denial of that fact does not change it.

Your second premise that we can win by appealing to "independent voters and semi-sane republican voters" is also flawed. The available votes are far to the left of the President, not found by appealing to the middle or right of there.

If Democrats want to win elections, they'd better abandon the "not the Republican" strategy and start standing for something that appeals to voters.

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President Obama has been offering concessions to the Republicans [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

Don't you mean to the Rich? Coyotl Jul 2013 #1

no, I mean the republicans in Congress. I didn't think that I needed to cali Jul 2013 #4

You just don't understand 3D Chess Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #2

Or more accurately AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #84

It's never "pointless" if it realizes the goal of those who run our world. Trillo Jul 2013 #3

He should go close the drapes in the oval office. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #5

When did the choices become 'do nothing' or 'repeat the same failed actions endlessly'? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #6

Those aren't the choices. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8

They are the choices as presented by the other poster, nice to see you agree with me that Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #11

What actions won't fail with this Congress?? ... please be specific. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #16

Standing his ground for once AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #18

That's a bumper sticker, not a proposal. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19

Do you think he should capitulate... AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #21

Obama stood his ground and allowed the sequester. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #22

He 'stood his ground' and AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #23

Actually, folks around here said he'd CAVE and prevent JoePhilly Jul 2013 #24

He was tricked by the GOP AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #25

Finally ... you want no deal of any kind and a government shutdown. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #28

No more deals with the sociopathic GOP AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #30

That's fine ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #33

No AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #37

How exactly was Obama supposed to do that? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #38

It is known as the AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #42

That article doesn't say what you think it says. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #43

It also talks about him using the bully pulpit successfully AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #46

Right ... and Obama was going to talk this congress into JoePhilly Jul 2013 #47

He didn't have 'this congress' when he came into office AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Jul 2013 #48

Let's start with your likely accurate belief that anything he proposes will fail. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #53

Why? � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #61

Failing in Congress can be a positive if the American People see Obama standing for them ... Scuba Jul 2013 #69

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #71

Please explain how the Prez's endorsement of chained CPI makes things better? Scuba Jul 2013 #72

Do I have to go over this again? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #75

Your very first premise is wrong ... Scuba Jul 2013 #76

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #83

What people tell pollsters about Congressional approval is far different than what they feel ... Scuba Jul 2013 #85

Oh, I see ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #88

I never claimed polls are facts (or not). Discounting the idea that Obama has turned off .... Scuba Aug 2013 #89

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #90

Please link to any post I made that says "(President) Obama Bad" or similar... Scuba Aug 2013 #91

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #92

Nailed it. If the American People saw Obama standing for them .... Scuba Jul 2013 #70

His budget proposals have been trimed by 10%+ every time. joshcryer Jul 2013 #73

But he hasn't even picked out the drapes yet Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #10

When "doing anything" is tax cuts for our corporate "persons" - TBF Jul 2013 #34

What if the "tax cut" actually increases the effective tax rate? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #35

The latest in the NYTimes - TBF Jul 2013 #39

My guess is that ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #41

Obama has also pointed out that he'd use the funds from corporate tax reform maui902 Jul 2013 #66

Agree. nt JoePhilly Jul 2013 #80

Except Obama's approval rating is about 5x higher than the Republicans. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #7

and what has that achieved for the people? cali Jul 2013 #12

111th congress was most productive since LBJ. 112th and 113th? Not so much. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #14

This message isn't heard loud enough. joshcryer Jul 2013 #74

My 17 year old neice, who had cancer at 2, now gets full coverage. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #20

Oh, that? � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #62

Yep. Much better we should stand on principal! treestar Jul 2013 #82

the people are the same ones polled for the approval rate nt treestar Jul 2013 #81

This isn't a sporting event. Marr Jul 2013 #13

It is a sporting event. It's the republican hunger games we're preventing. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #15

But look at the bright side cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #9

OMG siding with republcans is evil don't you know. feel free to kick your own thread often lol nt msongs Jul 2013 #17

It's all Kabuki now with President Obama till the end of his term. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #26

And then 8 more years with Hillary as President. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #29

here comes the new boss same as the old boss..... dembotoz Jul 2013 #31

and complaining is easier than doing anything else. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #32

Resistance TBF Jul 2013 #36

Our system requires compromises (call them concessions) to work. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #27

Popcorn, cotton candy, corn dogs? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #40

Especially when Obama's determination to implement the TPP shows just how concerned forestpath Jul 2013 #44

Question: Would not this deal be unaffected by the TPP? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #63

Since the TPP will pretty much turn US sovereignity over to corporations I don't forestpath Jul 2013 #67

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #68

Not only is it wrong, but Congress should be held criminally liable Rex Jul 2013 #45

Agreed +1 n/t louslobbs Jul 2013 #54

It just seems to be who he is n2doc Jul 2013 #49

It has been like that � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #64

Isn't that the truth davidpdx Jul 2013 #78

Well, that comes as a complete no surprise at all. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #51

Maybe he should stop digging. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #52

A site you frequent often? snooper2 Jul 2013 #55

Nope. Never have. I found it on Google Images. Try Google yourself. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #56

I do all the time, but check the source snooper2 Jul 2013 #57

The source is Brian Farrington, a cartoonist. His cartoons are retrieved by Google and are AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #59

that's cool, I'm over it LOL snooper2 Jul 2013 #60

Perfect cartoon n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #77

Are you suggesting he should behave as badly as they? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #65

There's no excuse for it. The point of doing that is to lower the negotiation starting point Catherina Jul 2013 #79

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #86

The problem is that the Republican party Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #87