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Showing Original Post only (View all)Senators CLAIM Their Votes On Key Issues Are "CLASSIFIED" [View all]

For Congress, its classified is new equivalent of none of your business
WASHINGTON The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence reportedly gave its approval last week to an Obama administration plan to provide weapons to moderate rebels in Syria, but how individual members of the committee stood on the subject remains unknown. There was no public debate and no public vote when one of the most contentious topics in American foreign policy was decided outside of the view of constituents, who oppose the presidents plan to aid the rebels by 54 percent to 37 percent, according to a Gallup Poll last month. In fact, ask individual members of the committee, who represent 117 million people in 14 states, how they stood on the plan to use the CIA to funnel weapons to the rebels and they are likely to respond with the current equivalent of none of your business: Its classified.
Those were, in fact, the words Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., chair of the committee, used when asked a few days before the approval was granted to clarify her position for her constituents. She declined. Its a difficult situation, she said. And, Its classified. She was not alone. In a string of interviews over days, members of both the Senate intelligence committee or its equivalent in the House were difficult to pin down on their view of providing arms to the rebels. The senators and representatives said they couldnt give an opinion, or at least a detailed one, because the matter was classified. Its an increasingly common stance that advocates of open government say undermines the very principle of a representative democracy.
Its like a pandemic in Washington, D.C., this idea that I dont have to say anything, I dont have to justify anything, because I can say its secret, said Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington-based libertarian think tank. Classified has become less a safeguard for information and more a shield from accountability on tough subjects, said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy. Classification can be a convenient pretext for avoiding difficult questions, he said. Theres a lot that can be said about Syria without touching on classified, including a statement of general principles, a delineation of possible military and diplomatic options, and a preference for one or the other of them. So to jump to national security secrecy right off the bat looks like an evasion.
Syria is not the only topic where public debate has been the exception because a matter was classified. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., spoke last week about the frustration he felt because he could not tell his constituents that he believed secret rulings from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had expanded the collection of telephone and Internet data far beyond what many in Congress thought they had authorized. Months and years went in to trying to find ways to raise public awareness about secret surveillance authorities within the confines of classification rules, Wyden said at the Center for American Progress, a liberal Washington think tank. Had it not been for a leak of a secret court order on the collection of cellphone metadata by former National Security Agency contract worker Edward Snowden, the program might still be beyond discussion, Wyden noted. But the classification barrier may not be as watertight as committee members make it out to be. Senate Resolution 400, which established the intelligence committee in 1976, has a section specifically devoted to committee oversight of the classification system, which is directed by the executive branch. If a member of the committee feels that classified information is of valid public interest, he or she can ask that it be declassified.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/30/198097/for-congress-its-classified-is.html#.UfkT8Rbq7oV
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As long as we do not have Check Points at major intersections or on streets crossing
RC
Jul 2013
#32
Police repression exists in varying degrees dependent upon and highly correlated
HardTimes99
Jul 2013
#57
What I'd like to see is the Detroit Police Department arrest Orr on the charge
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#120
You are correct. Why have actual check points when one person sitting at a A/C console miles away
RC
Aug 2013
#128
When our elected representatives are not allowed to tell us how they voted on important
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#88
The pieces are all in place, I don't think they're efficiently connected yet, though
MNBrewer
Jul 2013
#13
Secret government, secret laws, secret courts, secret spying ... what a democracy.
Scuba
Jul 2013
#5
Even Reagan is to the LEFT of the Democratic Party leadership on some BIG issues.
bvar22
Aug 2013
#125
They may be doing a lot in secret because it is illegal -- CIA stuff, working around the laws
Coyotl
Aug 2013
#126
I think there's enough money floating around DiFi & her mobster husband
Jackpine Radical
Jul 2013
#46
She's worth about 70 million and still takes her salary and that is relevant
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#105
What would happen to a US Senator if he or she openly discussed classified information?
Gidney N Cloyd
Jul 2013
#24
I've read that they are told it's treason to divulge info from closed top secret hearings.
bobduca
Jul 2013
#25
If what you've done is so shameful you have to hide behind "it's classified"
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#33
Hmm. I guess we shouldn't worry about matters that are none of our business....
midnight
Jul 2013
#62
Scary and indefensible. Secret laws, secrets prisons, secrets votes, secret courts. Some democracy.
chimpymustgo
Jul 2013
#71
Sorry, you're not allowed to know how your public servants serve you. That's private.
tclambert
Aug 2013
#98