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seabeckind

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24. I believe in reuse.

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:42 AM

Jul 2013

When there's a usable facility that already exists within 10 or 15 miles of the proposed facility it seems pretty wasteful to construct a new one.

Maybe the attitude should be to exhaust the existing alternatives.

Example...a new auto plant built 35 miles outside of a rustbelt city, out in the middle of nowhere with no infrastructure (yet), while ignoring an old GM plant in the area between the downtown and the suburbs.

And the only adequate workforce a long way off. The cost of doing business is shifted from the business to the employee.

Different example: the Indianapolis terminal was relocated to the far fringe of the existing airport. Said they did it to save the airlines taxying(sp?) cost. No transportation for the people. The cost was shifted from the airline to the people. Good thing? Oh, and the people paid for this.

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On His Jobs Tour, Obama Touts Amazon Jobs That Are Literally Out Of Reach [View all] onehandle Jul 2013 OP

In reality, how many jobs in America have access to public transportation? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #1

One of these warehouses, which are not near central urban areas, will kill thousands of businesses. onehandle Jul 2013 #3

I will not argue that big box is killing the small business liberal N proud Jul 2013 #5

And it creates many new businesses joeglow3 Jul 2013 #21

A sliver of their sales. Moved from sites like eBay and Etsy. onehandle Jul 2013 #22

The marketplace changes. Nothing is guaranteed. Bake Jul 2013 #116

John McCain said the same thing NickB79 Jul 2013 #69

The first job I ever had was about 1958 in Seattle Wa. zeemike Jul 2013 #32

Here's an article today that mentions it... jtuck004 Jul 2013 #47

The former Bethlehem Steel plant was smack in the middle of the city, with plenty of buses right to WinkyDink Jul 2013 #59

But that is not true for 90% of America liberal N proud Jul 2013 #64

True enough. The best of America is its "bread-basket," but its weakness is revealed with its WinkyDink Jul 2013 #122

The San Francisco Bay area. New York City. Chicago. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #119

Storm Lake Iowa, Lorain Ohio, Wamego Kansas liberal N proud Jul 2013 #123

even if you own your vehicle outright PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #2

And because Crow73 Jul 2013 #43

How many retail jobs have disappeared due to Amazon? I want the sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #4

Public transportation was not a forte of the previous, Republican party. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #6

It won't be long before he tours sweat shops mick063 Jul 2013 #7

+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #11

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #13

did you make a wrong turn someplace on the information highway? dlwickham Jul 2013 #52

The post does seem out of place. Of course, you are more likely to get silenced because bluestate10 Jul 2013 #120

questioning logic on here is likely to get one silenced dlwickham Aug 2013 #139

+1 BlueStreak Jul 2013 #108

+1000000 LittleBlue Jul 2013 #113

What if the location helps small businesses that are nearby? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #8

McDonalds, Burger King, Redbox, AutoZone, Sears...n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #12

Please let us know which businesses are OK. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #15

You indicated 'small' businesses. Pls list them n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #16

Nonsense seabeckind Jul 2013 #17

Addendum... seabeckind Jul 2013 #19

So a new warehouse, with jobs, is a bad thing. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #20

I believe in reuse. seabeckind Jul 2013 #24

Sometimes retrofitting an existing facility is less cost effective than simply constructing totodeinhere Jul 2013 #48

Do you understand the concept of working poor? mick063 Jul 2013 #25

Now you are just trying to hurt my feelings. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #30

How 'bout a WPA-style National Jobs Program? leftstreet Jul 2013 #33

So jobs for unskilled people buidling new roads that other people will drive on JoePhilly Jul 2013 #57

That's a little bigoted leftstreet Jul 2013 #96

The program you referred to primarily targeted JoePhilly Jul 2013 #100

'WPA-style' leftstreet Jul 2013 #104

Ahh ... just the model ... which parts? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #109

The Not-For-Profit part leftstreet Jul 2013 #111

It is both. roody Jul 2013 #49

Amazon destroyed my favorite bookstores. Octafish Jul 2013 #9

Amazon actually lost money last quarter... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #27

True. But their stock price is still over $300/share. Octafish Jul 2013 #34

Nothing like giving a jobs speech at a union buster. What's next? Wal-Mart? Brickbat Jul 2013 #10

While I think it's good to celebrate the creation of any job... seabeckind Jul 2013 #14

Warehouses and distribution centers don't fit in downtowns very well bhikkhu Jul 2013 #18

They fit better in industrial parks KamaAina Jul 2013 #125

Jobs tour grammiepammie Jul 2013 #23

I rarely 'put this President down.' onehandle Jul 2013 #26

Is the criticism of companies like Amazon legitimate or not? n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #50

Your 40 posts were AMAZING! HangOnKids Jul 2013 #72

Low paying temp jobs with huge turnover, lousy conditions isn't exactly the backdrop I'd want. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #28

"searched multiple times a day" --They didn't even do that to the coal miners. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #42

not defending Amazon MrNJ Jul 2013 #86

The dignity of workers is more valuable than cell phones and SLR lenses. If Amazon can't figure out AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #92

One of the new Amazon warehouses in California.. Xithras Jul 2013 #29

Commute or drive to city from LI? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #31

Same thing in my town theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #35

Amazon is a great example of how modernization/technology is killing jobs. reformist2 Jul 2013 #36

It's the students for whom I feel the deepest sadness, many of whom were sold a HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #38

I know. To be honest, I don't know what I'd tell a student trying to figure out a good career path. reformist2 Jul 2013 #45

I think it may be a myth that health care will provide stable career prospects. I remember reading HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #46

Wow. I can believe it. I feel like it's the Titanic, once people hear about an empty lifeboat, they reformist2 Jul 2013 #53

A lot of it is like every skill "shortage", the market is glutted and so requirements are ratchet up TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #117

So true. I'm hearing that in the Big Pharma labs, they're kicking out anyone who doesn't have a PhD. reformist2 Aug 2013 #129

Yup, a PhD in engineering required to run the fry station and a Masters to mop is the goal. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #138

I'd tell them to go into automation, robotics and engineering. fujiyama Aug 2013 #127

Very true. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #51

Not always DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #114

Problem is, you don't OWN an "eBook." It is just another scam by the elite duffyduff Jul 2013 #121

Some of you folks think this is permanent... WaitWut Jul 2013 #37

Obama visits a plantation. Like what he sees. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #39

Marie Antoinette said it best for the hungry who did not have bread: "Just let them eat cake." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

And in 5 years even those warehouse jobs will be gone because of e-books... reformist2 Jul 2013 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Crow73 Jul 2013 #44

There was an expose of this type roody Jul 2013 #54

Not to mention the absolutely soul-crushing environment and zero mental stimulation. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55

Every job is not going to be the right fit for every person. ecstatic Jul 2013 #56

New Democratic slogan at convention. "That's Just Life"... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #58

Do you drive an American car? Do you shop online? ecstatic Jul 2013 #60

And what you just posted has what to do with Amazon paying a living wage, or having a more Safetykitten Jul 2013 #62

The OP mentioned that Amazon's warehouse in TN was not on a busline ecstatic Jul 2013 #66

They locate on these items. Tax giveaways, More tax giveaways and a pliable workforce. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #67

Kind of hard to discuss anything when you keep switching subjects/ moving goalposts. nt ecstatic Jul 2013 #93

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So what's your solution? LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #70

How cute! HangOnKids Jul 2013 #76

I shall look forward to it. LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #83

Everybody needs to read this article - I Was a Warehouse Wage Slave totodeinhere Jul 2013 #61

Good post. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #63

Shows how out of touch the 1% in DC are. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #94

A lot of policy wonks reside in places like New York where you don't even need to own a car. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #65

Good point. DC is very much like that as well. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #80

Lots of people take the train to work every day.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #99

Yeah, I wish I could take a train. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #105

I wish there was rail service from Vegas to Los Angeles.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #115

I blame Obama for decades of unsustainable urban planning. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #71

Flag on the play. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #77

Yeah, agree this issue has little or nothing to do with President Obama treestar Jul 2013 #98

You say you are not a President Obama basher, elleng Jul 2013 #73

So telling the truth is Obama bashing? Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #78

You did not get the memo. Truth= Obama bashing. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #79

President Obama did not create the current facts of life, I've said, elleng Jul 2013 #87

Neither did bush. It is bush league to flak for them. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #136

President Obama did not create the current facts of life elleng Jul 2013 #82

He is happy to live with them though. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #124

Not to mention, I've read 4_TN_TITANS Jul 2013 #74

Yes they do. FACT. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #75

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yes, I know. eggplant Jul 2013 #88

In a better world, this would be great. But it's Amazon. They suck. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #89

Amazon lost money last quarter. Not going to happen. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #91

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Chattanooga actively campaigned for this facility, and MineralMan Jul 2013 #102

It appears from the OP that the facility if far enough out that the A Simple Game Jul 2013 #112

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Hmm...Chattanooga does have a public transit system. MineralMan Jul 2013 #101

and what are the wages and benefits? Everytime I hear the phrase job creation from either party liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #103

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The problem can be solved with imagination. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #118

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I'm sure most people on this thread have shopped online at sites like Amazon Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #128

Hey Cali.. I shop at amazon.. amazon actually gives more to Dems.. Cha Aug 2013 #131

Love the hug! freshwest Aug 2013 #132

The "hug" is precious, fresh~ Cha Aug 2013 #133

Thanks for the info Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #137

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Anyone lacking a car??? onpatrol98 Aug 2013 #130

There's another Amazon fulfillment center in Charleston, Tenn, about 35 miles north of Chattanooga.. Ghost in the Machine Aug 2013 #135