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In reply to the discussion: Guardian: "XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'" [View all]sofa king
(10,857 posts)We should all direct our outrage at this President, and be careful to forget about:
The Total Information Awareness Program:
2002: http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/11/21_4th.html
2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5681899
2006: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x498378
CARNIVORE:
2004: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=419239&mesg_id=419338
2005:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1151853
Domestic surveillance:
2007: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2488557
2001--February, 2001: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x326639
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First of all, fuck all of you who have made a ten-year career out of marginalizing the people who reported and passed on these stories, keeping it firmly in the paranoid conspiracy-theory box long enough for the practice to become institutionalized, codified, and legal.
Second, any of you who wish to separate the absolutely criminal practices that created this monster from the civil rights you no longer have today is whistling Dixie. You cannot replace the rights that have been taken from you without also prosecuting the Bush Administration for creating and running this system, illegally, for at least seven years. Bush ain't gonna be prosecuted, so I don't give a flying fuck if you want your rights back now--you simply are not going to get them back because we already allowed it to happen. Ask Ben Franklin about rights not exercised, and what happens to them.
So, third, you can go ahead and try to take apart the American surveillance state now, but it won't work. Instead, your head-on efforts are going to put you and me first against the wall when Jeb steals it.
Our only hope now is to gain control of this apparatus and use it against the people who created it. Destroy Jeb Bush's career before he can get in. Force Dick Cheney to renounce his citizenship and move to Dubai. Wreck Karl Rove with his own disgusting resume. Find the trillion dollars Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz stole. Savage and destroy the careers of top Republican donors.
And, since that ain't gonna happen, either, we have little recourse but to keep pretending we live in a republic until the day when the biological truth forces Americans to eat their oppressors.