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143. Courts have already addressed this in cases like McCollum v CBS/Osbourne

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:57 PM

Jul 2013

"[M]usical lyrics and poetry," said the court, "cannot be construed to contain the requisite 'call to action' for the elementary reason they simply are not intended to be and should not be read literally.... Reasonable persons understand musical lyrics and poetic conventions as the figurative expressions which they are." The court went on to state that even if the lyrics were expressing the view that suicide is an acceptable alternative to life, Osbourne has the constitutional right to express that view.

http://www.tjcenter.org/ArtOnTrial/ozzy.html
Bottom line: Artists are not responsible for actions resulting from misinterpretations of their art.

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SHOULD WE HONOR J.J. CALE? [View all] JEFF9K Jul 2013 OP

In short, yesphan Jul 2013 #1

I love Bob Marley! zappaman Jul 2013 #13

I'll trade you. rug Jul 2013 #37

I have that shirt too JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #91

Ha! zappaman Jul 2013 #103

That's Jimi! think4yourself Aug 2013 #181

Yup... Scuba Jul 2013 #14

more to the man than that bigtree Jul 2013 #2

it's JEFF9K Jul 2013 #15

What will we tell the children? SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #30

ACTUALLY JEFF9K Jul 2013 #31

The final verse is not promoting cocaine. SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #43

You're out of your mind! Atman Jul 2013 #44

I always thought it was either "she don't like" or "she don't buy". Erose999 Jul 2013 #92

ask them JEFF9K Jul 2013 #122

Courts have already addressed this in cases like McCollum v CBS/Osbourne opiate69 Jul 2013 #143

good point JEFF9K Aug 2013 #154

Jeff, did you forget your sarcasm tag? Atman Aug 2013 #159

Yes dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #3

Honor the man warrprayer Jul 2013 #4

She don't "like" either. JJ was a man ahead of his time. Legend. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #9

what the absolute fuck? got any evidence whatsofuckingever that cali Jul 2013 #5

you JEFF9K Jul 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #18

lag JEFF9K Jul 2013 #123

But those aren't the lyrics! Atman Jul 2013 #47

don't JEFF9K Aug 2013 #156

How Atman Aug 2013 #157

Artists are not in charge of morals RainDog Jul 2013 #59

+ a lot. cali Jul 2013 #63

a class JEFF9K Aug 2013 #155

I doubt it, but honestly I don't give a shit one way or another cali Jul 2013 #62

depending JEFF9K Aug 2013 #158

Jose Cuervo, you are a friend of mine! DirkGently Jul 2013 #68

The lyrics are Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #85

might JEFF9K Aug 2013 #160

It was a Lawrence Casden movie about a dead guy, right? Atman Aug 2013 #169

Hell, let's ban Jackson Browne, Taj Mahal, Buckcherry, Stones, Johnny Cash, Cole Porter . . . hatrack Jul 2013 #112

let's JEFF9K Jul 2013 #128

Let's add you to my "ignore" list, shall we? Super! hatrack Jul 2013 #149

non JEFF9K Aug 2013 #163

Maybe you can recommend one. Atman Aug 2013 #167

If you ban "Cocaine", then you gotta ban "Beer Barrel Polka" Mopar151 Jul 2013 #136

what's JEFF9K Aug 2013 #164

Also, pretty much the entirety of Alice in Chains' "Dirt" CD. opiate69 Aug 2013 #182

Absolute crap. Atman Jul 2013 #6

he JEFF9K Jul 2013 #17

He died at 74! Atman Jul 2013 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #27

It's Benny Goodman's fault! And Reagan's! Atman Jul 2013 #32

you are JEFF9K Aug 2013 #171

Thank goodness! Atman Aug 2013 #173

pathetic JEFF9K Jul 2013 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #139

+100 Atman Jul 2013 #140

your logic JEFF9K Jul 2013 #33

Really? Atman Jul 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #41

you JEFF9K Aug 2013 #168

WTF are you talking about? Atman Aug 2013 #170

I think you need a key bump, or seven snooper2 Jul 2013 #104

If you're so vulnerable, how did you survive the 20th century? delrem Jul 2013 #152

apples to JEFF9K Aug 2013 #175

Yes. *sigh* The song is a WARNING about cocaine. It is an ANTI-DRUG SONG. Zorra Jul 2013 #48

I do. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #7

This is a liberal website that supports free spech and I miss JJ already. He was a TeamPooka Jul 2013 #8

Democrat JEFF9K Jul 2013 #19

No part of the Democratic party wants to "ban" certain artists or popular music from the airwaves TeamPooka Jul 2013 #38

the dixie JEFF9K Aug 2013 #184

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #188

Which is EXACTLY why we should honor Cale tkmorris Jul 2013 #42

Since when did real billh58 Jul 2013 #51

generally, they're smart enough to know that 1st amendment cali Jul 2013 #64

but JEFF9K Jul 2013 #126

Nope. Wrong again. Blather happily on as much as you wish cali Jul 2013 #131

I agree. n/t Change has come Jul 2013 #56

I don't think he "encouraged illegal behavior." He wrote a great song DevonRex Jul 2013 #10

if JEFF9K Jul 2013 #20

You simply don't know what you're talking about! Atman Jul 2013 #72

better watch your speed Casey Jones... dionysus Jul 2013 #97

it's JEFF9K Jul 2013 #129

You do know that the song itself cannot "do" anything with intent, right? DevonRex Jul 2013 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #11

Dems JEFF9K Jul 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #29

thanks JEFF9K Jul 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #73

what JEFF9K Jul 2013 #130

"There's a new thing out - it's called COMMON SENSE!!" Atman Jul 2013 #134

i have no evidence to the contrary and yet SwampG8r Aug 2013 #189

Exactly the opposite. Atman Jul 2013 #74

Yes JJ Cale was a great artist. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #12

There is some disagreement on whether the song glorified the drug IDemo Jul 2013 #21

the effect JEFF9K Jul 2013 #23

Likely, yes. IDemo Jul 2013 #25

when JEFF9K Aug 2013 #162

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die, so I'm probably biased. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #26

not JEFF9K Jul 2013 #35

"Let's take some drugs and drive around," then. DirkGently Jul 2013 #61

The SILOS! Atman Jul 2013 #81

Yes indeed. He founded the Vulgar Boatmen, too. DirkGently Jul 2013 #89

Let's go get some drugs... Atman Jul 2013 #117

Such a great song. Love Evangeline, too. DirkGently Jul 2013 #120

"Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw" while we're at it. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #118

Classic! DirkGently Jul 2013 #119

i do say, my good man, are you holding? dionysus Jul 2013 #100

Hey Joe, I shot the sheriff... Atman Jul 2013 #46

Not only that, but Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #49

Did she drag you over the rainbow DevonRex Jul 2013 #121

And need we discuss the frightening events of DirkGently Jul 2013 #90

Oh, come on... Atman Jul 2013 #98

And possibly an infant body at that. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #113

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #166

Last IQ test I had... Atman Aug 2013 #172

my head hurts...... madrchsod Jul 2013 #28

Sears Catalogue used to sell cocaine leftstreet Jul 2013 #36

Hell, could be worse, he could have been Steve Irwin The Straight Story Jul 2013 #40

If you want to get down Little_Wing Jul 2013 #45

I say, my good man. If you would be so kind... opiate69 Jul 2013 #50

Should we only honor musicians who tell you to eat your broccoli and look both ways before crossing? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #52

Yes! And no more songs about The Drinking or The Sex. DirkGently Jul 2013 #67

So the Wiggles are going to sweep the grammys, huh? n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #71

Not to mention the Country Music Awards. DirkGently Jul 2013 #87

Lol! NealK Jul 2013 #147

Thank you for this post! Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #53

Thank you. JEFF9K Jul 2013 #127

Your point isn't even a little tiny eeeny bit valid. Not a scrap of it. cali Jul 2013 #133

you JEFF9K Aug 2013 #174

"I've gotten more flack at this supposedly liberal site than anywhere else." Atman Jul 2013 #141

No one was forced to use cocaine due to that song! treestar Jul 2013 #54

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #180

that poster is remarkable, in their ability markiv Aug 2013 #187

Explain how a song forces someone to do cocaine treestar Aug 2013 #190

Ozzy forced Jeff9K off the rails on the crazy train. Atman Jul 2013 #55

Ha Ha!!!! SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #57

I believe the song Cocaine was written in the 1930s olddots Jul 2013 #58

no. the song the op is referencing was written by Cale cali Jul 2013 #66

yes. wtf? spanone Jul 2013 #60

"Should we honor the memory of J.J. Cale?" WhyTH not? Obama just praised Poppy "Iran-Contra" Bush. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #65

JJ Cale was one of the best songwriters ever madokie Jul 2013 #69

Just another Okie yesphan Jul 2013 #132

polite JEFF9K Aug 2013 #176

Who was he again? kentauros Jul 2013 #70

He was a remarkable innovator on the guitar, and a Muscle Shoals blues legend - LTX Jul 2013 #95

Thank you for the information :) kentauros Jul 2013 #101

I wouldn't classify him as corporate rock or commercial radio. LTX Jul 2013 #105

I didn't mean that he was corporate/commercial, kentauros Jul 2013 #109

Don't get me wrong, I have no objection to corporate/commercial as a classification or music source, LTX Jul 2013 #111

Oh, and by the way, one of the greatest, pure rock & roll tunes of all time LTX Jul 2013 #106

I prefer Bananas and Blow RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #75

Here is one of the most popular songs in America (sad, but true)... Atman Jul 2013 #76

"Cocaine" is an anti-drug song. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #77

but that is irrelevant. who cares if it was a song saying cocaine is the greatest thing cali Jul 2013 #83

That is true - you'll get no argument from me. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #86

almost JEFF9K Aug 2013 #177

right. so? pornography of all kinds is legal under the constitution and you cali Aug 2013 #179

recommended JEFF9K Aug 2013 #183

These duded in the 30's made Cale look like a Disney star... Atman Jul 2013 #78

Hey, it was a good song Warpy Jul 2013 #79

I dropped acid because of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. Atman Jul 2013 #82

If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on; cocaine. Don't forget this fact, you can't get it back aikoaiko Jul 2013 #80

effect JEFF9K Aug 2013 #178

This is a tremendously stupid OP. WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #84

+100 Atman Jul 2013 #88

stupid JEFF9K Aug 2013 #185

I bet you think Hendrix was singing a gay anthem.. Fumesucker Jul 2013 #93

There should be a special category The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #96

If you're gay does not bother me ... DirkGently Jul 2013 #114

Lol! NealK Jul 2013 #148

A negative DUzy? Dr. Strange Jul 2013 #142

What the...... HappyMe Jul 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #102

Hmmm...we haven't heard from Mr. J9K in quite a while... Atman Jul 2013 #99

Your ignorance of the meaning of song lyrics is astounding. SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #107

ignorance JEFF9K Jul 2013 #124

Jeff, how many people here are defending your position on this? Atman Jul 2013 #135

"The actual lyrics aren't relevant" SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #138

"Everyone is stupid except me" -Homer Simpson NealK Jul 2013 #150

Don't forget this fact, you can't get it back....cocaine, she dont mind... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #108

Of course it is. OP knows that. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #146

I only like nice, wholesome songs like "Puff the Magic Dragon". Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #110

I actually had a children's album with that song on it. DirkGently Jul 2013 #115

It was on Peter, Paul & Mommy. Atman Jul 2013 #116

Hey OP! Let's get fucked up! The Midway Rebel Jul 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jul 2013 #145

Absolutely. cliffordu Jul 2013 #151

Oh JEFF9K, here's another song to have a cow about. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #153

anyone who can't understand the brutal irony of that song librechik Aug 2013 #161

More than 160 posts later, and facing universal ridicule, Jeff9K trudges on... Atman Aug 2013 #165

nothing honorable about glamorizing dangerous drugs markiv Aug 2013 #186