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In reply to the discussion: President Obama has been offering concessions to the Republicans [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)83. Well ...
Yes, many voters who have supported Democratic candidates, including the President, are withdrawing support. They are rapidly becoming disenchanted with the Party and, in the absence of any supportable alternative, will stay home on election day.
No ... we/they are not.
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
Your proclaiming it does change the FACTS, i.e., supported by data beyond personal anecdotes.
Your second premise that we can win by appealing to "independent voters and semi-sane republican voters" is also flawed. The available votes are far to the left of the President, not found by appealing to the middle or right of there.
Care to support that statement with some facts? (please see the above definition of fact). Since your first "refutation" was/is factually unsupported, I am disinclined to accept this one.
But ...
There is gridlock because Republicans are determined to block any Obama initiative, 51 percent of voters say, while 35 percent say President Barack Obama lacks the skills to convince leaders of Congress to work together.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1921
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1921
Your being in denial of that fact does not change it.
If Democrats want to win elections, they'd better abandon the "not the Republican" strategy and start standing for something that appeals to voters.
No ... the polling suggests that to win elections Democrats must appeal to the cohort that I referred to above, i.e., independent voters and semi-sane republican voters to either that poll as having the republican party as obstructionist to convinced as to either: vote Democratic in 2014 (highly unlikely); or, vote 3rd Party in the general election (splitting the republican vote); or stay home (diluting republican vote).
And this strategy is necessary because Democrats took they eye off the ball in 2010 (much like some are doing today), which allowed for the gerrymandering of republicans into non-competitive districts. Democrats win in Democratic districts ... Guess where the cohort that I am speaking of resides?
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When did the choices become 'do nothing' or 'repeat the same failed actions endlessly'?
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#6
They are the choices as presented by the other poster, nice to see you agree with me that
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#11
Let's start with your likely accurate belief that anything he proposes will fail.
Jackpine Radical
Jul 2013
#53
Failing in Congress can be a positive if the American People see Obama standing for them ...
Scuba
Jul 2013
#69
What people tell pollsters about Congressional approval is far different than what they feel ...
Scuba
Jul 2013
#85
I never claimed polls are facts (or not). Discounting the idea that Obama has turned off ....
Scuba
Aug 2013
#89
OMG siding with republcans is evil don't you know. feel free to kick your own thread often lol nt
msongs
Jul 2013
#17
Especially when Obama's determination to implement the TPP shows just how concerned
forestpath
Jul 2013
#44
Since the TPP will pretty much turn US sovereignity over to corporations I don't
forestpath
Jul 2013
#67
The source is Brian Farrington, a cartoonist. His cartoons are retrieved by Google and are
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#59
There's no excuse for it. The point of doing that is to lower the negotiation starting point
Catherina
Jul 2013
#79
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result . . .
markpkessinger
Jul 2013
#86