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leveymg

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198. All that data is useless without software that identifies "red flags" that NSA considers suspicous.

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 09:34 PM

Jul 2013

It can be as simple as a phone conversation with someone identified as "terrorist" on an NSA list, or as complicated as meeting a profile due to patterns of behavior (using a trak phone or encryption) in combination with other characteristics (ethicity, banking history, education, travels, etc.)

That automated profiling is just the first step in a more intensive profiling process that involves additional systems used by an NSA analyst to identify the person and perhaps something of the nature of the threat.

When I say that someone gets into the system through other databases, I was referring to the 2nd step of the profiling phase, during which the analyst can search across a number of databases.

If this sounds like something the NSA has said, it's because it is based in agency statements and documents leaked and otherwise released. What's wrong with that?

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Guardian: "XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'" [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

But I was told the NSA is only collecting meta data! think Jul 2013 #1

That's 'cuz the NSA never met a datum that they didn't like (& archive...) appal_jack Jul 2013 #6

Then I'll try to mind my p's & q's in responding think Jul 2013 #11

Hi Agent Mike!! reformist2 Jul 2013 #114

RELAX. bvar22 Jul 2013 #177

Everything in that presentation **IS** Metadata ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #209

This implementation has been explained to you several times. reusrename Aug 2013 #218

Right. Which they use to query for the content. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #248

Nothing like the revelation that EVERYTHING is being monitored think Jul 2013 #2

And "hoovered" for future use. It's"highly sophisticated technology issues" rather than "bad faith" Catherina Jul 2013 #5

That's pretty cool, on Page 13 IP 58.65.157.5 is a mail server in Pakistan snooper2 Jul 2013 #3

So does that mean that... bunnies Jul 2013 #4

Yes, communications with people outside of the country or coming in to the country are fair game Catherina Jul 2013 #7

So Im in there then. bunnies Jul 2013 #10

I've heard there's furriners here on this very board.... think Jul 2013 #17

All my DU Lounge posts? LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #12

That's totally disgusting. NealK Jul 2013 #99

If the tables are joined possibly.. snooper2 Jul 2013 #9

The slide made it seem like anyone could be a "target" though... bunnies Jul 2013 #13

We know from previous data there are 117K "targets" snooper2 Jul 2013 #16

So does it only sweep up communications with the "targets" ? bunnies Jul 2013 #23

There is a lot of junk traffic on the Internet snooper2 Jul 2013 #33

It seems a bit less ominous put that way. bunnies Jul 2013 #75

The real technical magic is in the search engines. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #118

OH GET REAL! Th1onein Jul 2013 #188

sorry, but you're not that important to the NSA LOL snooper2 Aug 2013 #236

Sorry, but you completely miss the point. Th1onein Aug 2013 #249

Once they do the two hops it seems Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #212

If you're in the database, all subsequent searches will potentially turn you up -even three hops out leveymg Jul 2013 #18

I think I may be confused about what, exactly, gets one in the database. bunnies Jul 2013 #26

Using the internet gets one in the DB hootinholler Jul 2013 #36

The ambiguity is whether domestic phone content is STILL datamined. leveymg Jul 2013 #54

You get into the system by being within the database of any agency, US or foreign, that feeds into leveymg Jul 2013 #40

Thanks. bunnies Jul 2013 #67

All gov't agencies operate essentially the same way. I know my stuff about a related agency. leveymg Jul 2013 #84

You should change your name... kentuck Jul 2013 #91

I am pro-intelligence leveymg Jul 2013 #95

from the article questionseverything Jul 2013 #142

content,content,content questionseverything Jul 2013 #146

"'THERE IS NO CONTENT' IS INCORRECT" - correct. leveymg Jul 2013 #149

You say 'analysts', but who actually has access, and who are they working for? Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #219

The temptation is always there when you have a tool this powerful to use it in any number leveymg Aug 2013 #223

Sorry, leveymg. I believe you are wrong. Th1onein Jul 2013 #191

Care to explain what you mean by that? leveymg Jul 2013 #194

It seems to me that you are echoing all of the crowd Th1onein Aug 2013 #254

Yeah, you ARE confused. Th1onein Jul 2013 #189

All that data is useless without software that identifies "red flags" that NSA considers suspicous. leveymg Jul 2013 #198

ROFLMAO! Useless? Are you kidding me? Th1onein Jul 2013 #200

I'm a member of the Whistleblower Coalition. Russell Tice will tell you all about the misuse of NSA leveymg Jul 2013 #202

^^^ This. Tice points to abuse and lists as targets: Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #220

Yep Th1onein Aug 2013 #252

Thank you for posting this, leveymg! Th1onein Aug 2013 #253

REMEMBER THIS: You are not a target until they get your info off of the database. Th1onein Jul 2013 #186

But... bunnies Aug 2013 #227

Hey, they've already listened to soldiers' pillow talk and had fun laughing about it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #250

No, everything everyone does on the internet is in the memory in its entirety Coyotl Jul 2013 #43

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Th1onein Jul 2013 #192

Not just the metadata? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #245

Yep. It's Six Degrees from Kevin Bacon... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #85

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #8

Note next to last slide: 42 billion records in XKEYSCORE system. leveymg Jul 2013 #14

I just updated the OP with a link to the full slide set Catherina Jul 2013 #29

Are they pre or post FISA Amendment Act? leveymg Jul 2013 #42

These seem to be pre. Catherina Jul 2013 #52

The implication that these training materials are still in use at NSA are staggering. leveymg Aug 2013 #231

If anything had changed, they wouldn't all be tripping over their lies Catherina Aug 2013 #232

K&R'd! snot Jul 2013 #15

Where are all the corporate-surveillance state cheerleaders to tell us it is all a lie, and,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #19

And "this is nothing new, we've known all about it for years." truebluegreen Jul 2013 #21

yes that too,. I never understood that one, we have known about global warming for years too,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #46

I know, if anything that is even a worse indictment on the Government, that they 'know all this for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #90

+1 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #138

I suspected it for years, but I'll admit that the reality is different than I pictured Hippo_Tron Jul 2013 #201

Note confirmation that this is an Anglo operation: US, Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand Catherina Jul 2013 #32

of course gottaw "work" with our partners in the war of terror,. oops I mean war ON terror. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #49

And it takes 4 people to sign off on it hootinholler Jul 2013 #39

When they pop up elsewhere on DU, denying the obvious, give them the link to this thread. RC Jul 2013 #48

Oh, not to worry LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #72

You forgot the boxes in the garage and the pole dancer nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #77

the more they blunt the reaction, the longer it takes to get anything done, and the smaller MisterP Jul 2013 #157

And that Snowden doesnt have shit and yet he is giving it to the Russians. Go easy on the NSA rhett o rick Jul 2013 #176

The picture just keeps getting clearer, and worse. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #20

Yeah... but... Vonage is safe, right? whttevrr Jul 2013 #22

Oh, certainly land lines are used. The Deputy Sheriffs Association, Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #71

Noi, VOIP is hoovered too. Th1onein Aug 2013 #255

Never mind facts! Greenwald's a turd!! caseymoz Jul 2013 #24

HAHAHA! Now, I must get back to posting lies for my think tank..... grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #158

That sums it up haha. Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #179

Chill. it's only metadata OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #25

Yes, but those memes are so yesterday. Any predictions on what think Jul 2013 #28

I'm not going to do any work for them. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #44

You nailed that. Instead of a new meme they have gone green think Jul 2013 #80

Greenwald doesn't use dental floss. NealK Jul 2013 #115

That's pretty damning evidence. We better make a separate thread for this! think Jul 2013 #122

No problem. NealK Jul 2013 #129

What you just said is insuffient for the system to operate... nebenaube Jul 2013 #50

(I know.) OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #53

It's an outrage in all police states. - Where's ur sarcasm thingy??? grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jul 2013 #27

One of the best postings I have ever seen on DU. I'll go one further. gordianot Jul 2013 #30

But who else has such an elaborate system in place? Quantess Jul 2013 #197

How about someone who is being accused of Cyber warfare? gordianot Jul 2013 #204

K & R: Of course, DNI Clapper is completely honest & does not know a thing about this. xocet Jul 2013 #31

The apologists seem conspicuously absent. Marr Jul 2013 #34

what they're ROFLing about, hardly what they think carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #103

Psst! Look-- I stole their mascot: Marr Jul 2013 #107

Waiting for the flood of posts from the apologists.. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #35

They're waiting for the Talking Point memo to arrive. leveymg Jul 2013 #45

Pfft! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #224

Well, you guys were really slow to react to this one, and weren't very effective when you did. leveymg Aug 2013 #225

You misunderstand. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #228

Oh, Jeez - I'm so sorry. leveymg Aug 2013 #230

No problem. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #234

Also, the endlessly repeated meme LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #74

Wait all on the internet, the same internet.... Historic NY Jul 2013 #37

Whoomp there it is Electric Monk Jul 2013 #213

Once again the ONN is spot on........ Historic NY Aug 2013 #222

Personally I'd like to know what all this is costing - TBF Jul 2013 #38

NSA annual budget is @ $80 billion - most of it goes to contractors. leveymg Jul 2013 #47

That's actually secret, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #247

Here's what it's costing us. grasswire Jul 2013 #131

+1 Go Vols Jul 2013 #139

right marions ghost Jul 2013 #140

Excellent response - thank you. nt TBF Jul 2013 #147

^^This^^. ^^This^^. Thank you n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #159

Excellent post. OP material! chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #170

People tended not to believe this when we revealed it on DU years ago. Coyotl Jul 2013 #41

Probably earlier than that when ECHELON was first revealed (I recall) by Bamford. leveymg Jul 2013 #51

I'll bet there were cries to shut up the "Conspiracy Woo" talk too Catherina Jul 2013 #65

Washington, D.C. wasn't very receptive to Mark Klein, just Keith Olbermann spoke out Coyotl Jul 2013 #134

K & R AzDar Jul 2013 #55

It's all legal and if you have nothing to hide, no worries steve2470 Jul 2013 #56

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #57

NSA: The world's biggest collector of porn links. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2013 #58

I wonder how many blackmail schemes will come from this? Kablooie Jul 2013 #79

Ever wonder why Obama feels so compelled to keep appointing HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #195

This is a good post Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #59

Holly Shit! The more documentary evidence of these abuses, the better! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #60

Some randome thoughts DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #61

This is proof Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #63

I was just doing an impersonation. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #66

Sorry about that. :) Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #70

There is a reason I studiously avoid him (as in ignore) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #83

And a very good impersonation it was! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #136

And I won't believe it unless he brings his girlfriend to spell it while pole-dancing Catherina Jul 2013 #69

Wow, you make a lot of prosense! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #87

Link, please... IDemo Jul 2013 #145

Puh-leaze! You need to struggle4progress in your spelling skills! Th1onein Jul 2013 #193

You sidn't be dithering around! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #203

lol Th1onein Aug 2013 #251

How cute to know I am in your thoughts. randome Jul 2013 #106

And he also never use dental floss. NealK Jul 2013 #125

Yes, well, I do so I'm a fine upstanding Amerikanski! randome Jul 2013 #128

So where can YOU point to some story Greenwald has exaggerated or lied or played up?!?!? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #135

You call it 'badgering' to ask if there is evidence of illegality or abuse? randome Jul 2013 #137

No evidence now, Go Vols Jul 2013 #156

I'm all for making changes so long as they aren't knee-jerk changes arising from fear. randome Jul 2013 #167

Fear is how we arrived here. neverforget Jul 2013 #187

Maybe the bureaucrats and politicians are afraid but not me. randome Jul 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Aug 2013 #237

from the article questionseverything Jul 2013 #144

You're calling Snowden's claims 'evidence'? randome Jul 2013 #169

Snowden's claims ring true to us. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #226

Power corrupts...proof: caduceus111 Aug 2013 #221

You're kidding, right? randome Aug 2013 #229

As Random as a wet fart sound file on a computer fascisthunter Jul 2013 #185

Good morning Agent Mike nolabels Jul 2013 #62

So there's an X-Bluecoat-Via: header inserted in the XKeyscore slides... Catherina Jul 2013 #64

I'm not seeing that line on the slide. Where is it? leveymg Jul 2013 #113

11th line down n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #120

The Facebook chat slide is interesting to. If you know how to read that and what to do next Catherina Jul 2013 #130

All Sanctioned And Approved By Obama And Congress cantbeserious Jul 2013 #68

You have to love Mike Rogers - R's denial of the claim Xithras Jul 2013 #73

Good catch. ljm2002 Jul 2013 #100

Seems to me difficult to be shocked that this exists. Kablooie Jul 2013 #76

And that is why I occasionally include spurious statements, words, etc. in e-mails, postings, etc... Swede Atlanta Jul 2013 #78

What a waste of taxpayer money! Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #82

I like your attitude, and your philosophy, but unfortunately -- truedelphi Jul 2013 #174

Glenn Greenwald is a big ole meanie!!! QC Jul 2013 #81

Imagine how much more sophisticated this system has likely become in the last 5 years LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #86

Yeah, it's good to know these training documents exists, and the best part: ProSense Jul 2013 #88

They describe an operating system that has gone off the reservation of Congressional intent leveymg Jul 2013 #92

Ever More Character Assassination cantbeserious Jul 2013 #93

Making a point is not a "Character Assassination" n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #96

You would be more persuasive if you just stuck to the facts about the NSA program and, for a change, leveymg Jul 2013 #97

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #101

You're repeating yourself, literally. leveymg Jul 2013 #108

'Inconsistent with Congressional intent' is not a crime. randome Jul 2013 #111

Fascinating! ProSense Jul 2013 #117

Your second response to my question was a near duplicate of the first. This one is a deflection. leveymg Jul 2013 #151

It appears that the talking points have congealed. n/t xocet Jul 2013 #104

Yup, as predicted LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #119

Keep catapulting the Propaganda! (it might be working...?) Agony Jul 2013 #190

What happens if you order something online damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #89

In itself, that is probably not enough to get "red flagged" (depending upon what you buy), but it is leveymg Jul 2013 #102

Oh no, the gov't would never pecwae Jul 2013 #94

Bookmarked kentuck Jul 2013 #98

Edward R Murrow: "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #105

+2 (Extra points for Murrow) leveymg Jul 2013 #109

smart man. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #110

Now we're getting to the nitty-gritty... good stuff! reformist2 Jul 2013 #112

There will be some hipster/tech apologist along soon to explain it all for us that this is not bad. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #116

My god, how shocking and unexpected! sofa king Jul 2013 #121

I agree with much of what you said LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #148

Big woop. I heard the FBI taps the mafia's phones too arely staircase Jul 2013 #123

But...but...Greenwald said stuff and Snowden "saw things"! randome Jul 2013 #126

because I am an authoritarian persona nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #127

Please contact Gen. Alexander for a home demo LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #150

Or just go down to your local Information Awareness Office and ask.... marions ghost Jul 2013 #153

Like everything else, though, its location is a secret LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #166

Well, it's a recombinant entity marions ghost Jul 2013 #173

That's insane. Vashta Nerada Jul 2013 #124

HTTPS Silent3 Jul 2013 #132

Technically it's not even required that the other party comply. Xithras Jul 2013 #160

Have certificate authorities actually been presented with such warrants? Silent3 Jul 2013 #206

That's what I was wondering treestar Jul 2013 #205

Not when they have access to the content, HTTPS only encrypts data during transit from 1 computer usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #207

The HTTP technology being described, however, is about intercepting data in transit... Silent3 Jul 2013 #214

Not True. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #215

Direct server access where? Getting what? And what's that got to do with XKeyscore? Silent3 Aug 2013 #216

From all the Biggies: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Skype, etc. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #217

The stories so far have not said that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Skype et al... Silent3 Aug 2013 #239

Nonsense, their logos are all over the first batch of docs usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #240

And do those docs say... Silent3 Aug 2013 #241

DIRECT ACCESS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #242

So you saw the words "direct access" on a PowerPoint slide... Silent3 Aug 2013 #244

The documentary evidence, combined with the first-hand accounts usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #246

Log extracts from the big isps bobduca Aug 2013 #235

I am completely non-violent, I have always been completely non-violent, and Zorra Jul 2013 #133

K&R NealK Jul 2013 #141

Thank you for ALL this info...bookmarked....K&R nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #143

You can spoof, use a proxy server, hide behind a uber powerful firewall Rex Jul 2013 #152

Yep. That sums it up for the www. Amonester Aug 2013 #257

Kick Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #154

all i can say about this is..... madrchsod Jul 2013 #155

lol Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #164

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #161

It's impossible to keep up! Catherina Jul 2013 #168

snoopy bastard Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #163

Need to know codenames of NSA analyis and surveillance databases? Just browse Linked In Catherina Jul 2013 #165

So the Pentagon knows all, eh? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #171

K&R thank you Catherina. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #172

ACLU: New Report Confirms NSA's Ability to Access Americans' Online Activity Catherina Jul 2013 #175

Yes, technology gives the government, any organization in fact, the ABILITY to spy. randome Jul 2013 #180

Kick. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #178

Bookmarking, this is a keeper. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #181

The key is to keep the pressure up Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #199

K & R. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #182

It's called a police state. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #183

"...no review by a court or NSA staff..." Warrantless. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #184

Hold on, that presentation is dated 25 Feb 2008 jazzimov Jul 2013 #208

+1 ucrdem Jul 2013 #211

See "Operation Northwoods" for some informative background: blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #210

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kicking Coyotl Aug 2013 #238

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Thanks for the post. blackspade Aug 2013 #256