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RainDog

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86. Dunbar's Number?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jul 2013

Some folks who look at this stuff say that humans have a limit for their awareness beyond more than 150-290 other lives - as far as stable social interactions.

Beyond that number, the need for laws and enforced social justice/kindnesses increases with the increase in number. So, it's easy to see how people become stereotypes - we can't see others beyond our own small circles, unless we make the effort.

When we lived in smaller communities, sharing was the norm, and those who didn't were ostracized. We have a long, long past of living harmoniously within communities. War isn't a given for human society - war-like societies get traumatized by their own warring actions by bringing that back into their communities. When I say a long, long history of harmonious living - I mean in the tens of thousands of years. When populations were so much smaller, maintaining our community was a matter of survival.

It still is.

We're just a lot bigger, as a community, than 290 people. But we're also not isolated - so our 290 and intersecting others' 290s eventually make up the whole world.

We have a lot of different ways, as humans, to live in this world, and the one that focuses on building community seems, to me, to be the exact reason we have govt. in the first place. That's what democracy, or more exactly, a Democratic Republic is - declaring ourselves a community.

I also have seen that, many times in history, when vast economic inequity in a society exists, people will create scapegoats to blame for their own frustration at their worsening situation (like the Jews in Germany.) The early twentieth century was the final gasp of European empire, and look how many people the rich took down with them...from Western Europe and Russia. Seems like empires, over and over, overextend themselves making war. The rich expect the poor and middle-class to pay for this, and are surprised when people revolt. But sometimes those revolts first take the form of kicking the person nearest to you.

I don't think the current hate-fest among white conservatives is new. The difference is they have an entire news network, plus radio stations, dedicated to repeating this sort of hate speech toward the American community. Even so - Father Coughlin was spouting hate on the radio in the 1930s. He supported fascism (after initially supporting the New Deal.) And the KKK existed, strongly, into the 20th century. I don't know what it is that makes people hate, other than fear. Maybe that's the only way they know to create a community, by creating an enemy to oppose. But who, really, created those ideological 20th c. wars? The powerful who chose to exercise power poorly, and greedily.

I think the internet makes it possible to see the hate more easily, if you're not the target for that particular hate. Ever read comments on news sites? I quit doing that, for the most part, because I didn't want to give up on this nation. I have to remind myself that most people aren't represented in the hate we see online.

I think it's really, really important for Americans to remember, or to learn, that there were many people opposed to the New Deal back in the day. These people were, however, wealthy, not working people - and that's what's so idiotic about today's republican party. That's why cultural issues are played up - the "us" that's versus "them" is limited to those the religious right hates in order to get them to vote against their self-interests. Cultural issues mean these conservatives are more interested in voting against someone else's rights, rather than their own self-interests. I'd say you have to have a pretty skewed view of the world to cut off your nose to spite your face - but, seems like that's where we are.

at least that's how I view it. how about you?

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One trend the author seems to note snot Jul 2013 #1
Definitely worth a look..I remember KoKo Jul 2013 #32
Wow! A doctoral thesis comparing MineralMan Jul 2013 #2
They should have just taped two hysterical people Maximumnegro Aug 2013 #90
This is wild. She even cites specific DUers. There's a lot of info in this. Gregorian Jul 2013 #3
Who does she cite? Mr. David Jul 2013 #4
Landshark, Tainted Chimp, another I've forgotten. Gregorian Jul 2013 #5
I definitely picked up more sympathy for DU than Freepville in what I've read Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #9
cwepler is one she quoted on page 26. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #14
I'm footnote 81. bananas Jul 2013 #77
Ahhh..the Landshark and Voting Rights Days on DU... KoKo Jul 2013 #33
Will never forget it. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #49
I had a quote too SoCalDem Jul 2013 #36
Nance Greggs as one of the most widely read & most recommended journals. And DevonRex Jul 2013 #42
Um, that Appendix is not the author's writing; she's just including a post by a DU'er. snot Jul 2013 #11
That wasn't clear. Thanks. Gregorian Jul 2013 #15
Holy crap, I did not know my Kindle app would grab an Adobe .pdf denbot Jul 2013 #6
I'm definitely bookmarking this. I read quite a bit but will get back to it Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #7
i remember her NMDemDist2 Jul 2013 #8
A call for what? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #10
if we agreed to her using 'us' n/t NMDemDist2 Jul 2013 #29
I remember it well, too. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #19
I have a 270 page pdf in my files but no link, from 2008. Is this she? Hekate Jul 2013 #28
Yes, it's the same one, and dated August 2008 dmr Jul 2013 #60
I think I remember them posting about this after they finished it. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #12
ya i remember that madrchsod Jul 2013 #65
Ha! I'm even mentioned, w/my old screen name... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #13
Yes, the author quotes quite a few of us. snot Jul 2013 #16
I was just surprised to see my (old) name... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #18
I feel left out. Of course, this was written before I came to DU and long MineralMan Jul 2013 #17
LOL from page 47 ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #20
One of the author's observations is snot Jul 2013 #22
I noticed that.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #24
That is maybe because right-wingers have almost no sense of humor. pangaia Jul 2013 #37
I think it may have originated on DU. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23
It most certainly did. RC Jul 2013 #45
The mispelled word was 'moron', spelled 'moran' on the sign. It has now become legend sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53
Some Moran Stuff teach1st Jul 2013 #54
Lol, those are priceless. He's everywhere! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #57
The orig. pic showed the girl's sign.. "Free Ripublic" Viva_La_Revolution Jul 2013 #71
DON'T FORGET... BUGS BUNNY. trueblue2007 Aug 2013 #88
now i know how "moran" got started northoftheborder Jul 2013 #78
Fascinating! RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #21
It is really fascinating. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #25
From page 55...... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #26
"At DU, discipline and order are clearly less valued"... LOL! reformist2 Jul 2013 #38
She clearly did not run into Skittles pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #43
LOL! n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #44
I would have kicked her PHD'ing ass Skittles Jul 2013 #63
I won't disagree with you there, Skittles. No, Ma'am! pinboy3niner Aug 2013 #89
I need to whale on pinboy3niner ass, just out of courtesy Skittles Aug 2013 #91
It's pretty good. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #27
As an aside, PCIntern Jul 2013 #30
LOL! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #68
bookmarking to read later RainDog Jul 2013 #31
It's ancient. Done many years ago. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2013 #34
I remember this. LWolf Jul 2013 #35
That's gotta be fascinating ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #47
What was weird... LWolf Jul 2013 #52
Heh! ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #56
I'll read it later.. fascinating. "If we could see ourselves as others see us." mountain grammy Jul 2013 #39
.......... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #40
and that nurturing anvironment has been under attack lately KurtNYC Jul 2013 #72
Tagged for later Initech Jul 2013 #41
I read most of it, skimmed through parts ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #46
tag. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #48
interesting albeit was written in 2008 azurnoir Jul 2013 #50
One of my threads was footnoted NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #51
I find this creepy, frankly. Yeah, yeah, "Internet." Still, one would prefer to think of this board WinkyDink Jul 2013 #55
It got her a job at Florida State. rug Jul 2013 #58
Cool Find! On thread I suggested she should Re-Visit her Doctoral Thesis KoKo Jul 2013 #59
I can't wait to read the chapter on the Lounge. rug Jul 2013 #61
Another of her observations snot Jul 2013 #62
I know it's about content - but that first sentence...surely it's not gramatically correct Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #64
Yes. Range is also a verb RainDog Jul 2013 #66
Thanks RainDog...of course I should have looked it up myself. I guess Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #69
I read it like "grazed" RainDog Jul 2013 #74
Well, I since 2004, I have NEVER seen anyone show two sides of anything. It is always just OUR Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #79
There is more than one side here RainDog Jul 2013 #80
We, the left, and all variations, have goodness on our side. When you strip away all the politics Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #81
The conservative view is that family should do these things RainDog Jul 2013 #83
very interesting RD Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2013 #85
Dunbar's Number? RainDog Jul 2013 #86
DU has two daddies! RainDog Jul 2013 #67
+! snot Jul 2013 #70
A partial list of those quoted: DainBramaged, Annabanana, TahitiNut KurtNYC Jul 2013 #73
If I remember, the paper took one DU task and the DUer was livid LanternWaste Jul 2013 #75
One Sentence... Historic NY Jul 2013 #76
Is anybody going to wade in over at FR and tell them about her diss? mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #82
Not me LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #84
"AGONISTIC DEMOCRACY AND THE NARRATIVE OF DISTEMPERED ELITES" delrem Aug 2013 #87
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