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cherokeeprogressive

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43. "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." 58,000+ men and women died for a lie.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jul 2013

No, I can't say as I do...

LBJ got on the radio on 8/4/1964 and asked the American public for permission to use military force without a congressional declaration of war based on something he couldn't confirm at the time, and later, he made the statement I put in my subject line. He actually made that statement in an offhand manner and even giggled according to reports I've read. As far as I'm concerned, LBJ is the first President who lied the country into war and no one seems to care and what's more; some here put him in the "Greatest Presidents Ever" category. He lied us into war. Then came Nixon, and nothing has been "what it seems" ever since.

I posted this last Christmas Day about visiting my Favorite Uncle (Don) in the VA Hospital. I never posted about it again, but he passed away 3 days later on the 28th. He never went home. He knew he was going to die when I visited, and even though my Cousins and Aunt were in the room, it was my hand he held, and me he promised he'd get better. He knew I was going to be destroyed. I promised I'd be back Saturday. He passed Friday. I blame Lyndon Johnson and the American Government for his death and the 40+ years of misery he suffered due to being wounded, contracting malaria, and being exposed to Agent Orange.

As far as I'm concerned, "government", in the federal sense, exists today only to serve itself. D.C. is the richest area in the United States and it's not because of the 537 elected critters, it's the 10's of thousands of federal employees who make their homes there.

All this nonsense about the NSA, PRISM, XKEYWHATEVER, and the rest? Does anyone really think it's about protecting the American People? If they do, they're either extremely naïve, or willfully ignorant. It's about protecting the Federal Government of the United States. Nothing more and nothing less. There will come a day, and I pray it doesn't happen in my lifetime, when an order will come down from somewhere inside the federal government to kill an American Citizen on US soil. That killing won't happen in order to protect an American Citizen. Its origin will be motivated by the government's fear for its own survival. I believe that with all my heart.

Our government offers us obfuscation, doublespeak, reticence, redacted documents, outright lies, and while taking much offers little in return but sustenance for those who cannot or will not provide it for themselves. It doesn't make people thrive, it merely helps them eat each day.

If you're wondering how I could call myself a Democrat and feel the way I do about government, go back and study where the terms "Big Brother", "The Man", and "Johnny Law" came from (they're not terms of endearment), and who people like Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, David Dellinger, Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis, John Froines, Lee Weiner and Bobby Seale were/are. In the years between then and now, government hasn't gotten BETTER at what it does, it's gotten better at HIDING what it does.

Thanks for asking.

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Republicans broke our system of Govt. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #1
republicans are not the only repsonsible party for our broken system. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #39
+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #67
57 here. first disillusionment came with Viet Nam...further with Nixon. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #2
This Government No Longer Serves Me - My Faith In the Institutions Of Government And Power Are Gone cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3
As it has become, A simple NO covers it for me ruffburr Jul 2013 #4
No one is satisfied, whether properly informed or not, people simply don't like the government. Neoma Jul 2013 #5
Nope...and I have become even more cynical nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #6
I don't like the anarchist alternative. pnwmom Jul 2013 #7
In theory yes, in actual practice not so much any more Fumesucker Jul 2013 #8
No, not at all. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #9
Your response here really deserves to be its own OP with its themes elaborated HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #46
Thank you, but I doubt I will do it. Katrina should have tipped everybody to Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #74
Agree this post is worthy of an OP. Scuba Aug 2013 #68
No. ananda Jul 2013 #10
No PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #11
Yes, I do respect our Government. It's the Republicans that don't respect it or the citizens. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #13
a good concept being poorly excecuted. KG Jul 2013 #14
A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #47
I trust it less now than I ever had. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #15
No. nt City Lights Jul 2013 #16
No Go Vols Jul 2013 #17
I do mick063 Jul 2013 #18
Um,...no. ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #19
No, the country is too big to govern under the present system. former9thward Jul 2013 #20
Nope and not for a long time..... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #21
What you are really asking, I think, LWolf Jul 2013 #22
Nope. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #23
No. 840high Jul 2013 #24
Less and less Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #25
No DJ13 Jul 2013 #26
Depends on what you mean by the system customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #27
What he said. BlueJazz Jul 2013 #34
Agreed... and I think the founding fathers would have been in favor of making adjustments to... Blasphemer Aug 2013 #56
I've had little faith in the govt. since I started developing real political awareness MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #28
But it took Obama to really take the dying remains of that faith and stomp it right into the ground MindPilot Aug 2013 #69
No, I don't. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #29
No, because they see us all as the enemy now and chumps The Straight Story Jul 2013 #30
i agree Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #31
No ... it isn't working and everything we did to make it work, has failed. So far. WE have to do sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32
230+ years and still going strong. Damn right I do. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #33
The Founding Fathers never contemplated snakes like Cheney or Yoo. Their genius also HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #50
Short answer: no!!!!!!!!!!!!! Initech Jul 2013 #35
I respect our "system", BUT... bvar22 Jul 2013 #36
It's broken. What really gets to me is all the lip service paid marions ghost Jul 2013 #37
for me it's the blah blah lip service combined with the absolute lack of shame when they're HiPointDem Aug 2013 #51
They know that we have little power to stop them marions ghost Aug 2013 #75
hell no. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #38
In a word "NO!" RC Jul 2013 #40
The present US Government Vanje Jul 2013 #41
+1 daleanime Aug 2013 #63
No (nt) bigwillq Jul 2013 #42
"For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." 58,000+ men and women died for a lie. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #43
Great post. I wonder if LBJ really was the first president to lie us into war. McKinley may not HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #55
Pretty much yes bhikkhu Aug 2013 #44
A bloodless coup d'etat installed the fascists on 12/12/2000 (Bush v. Gore) and we became a rogue HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #48
You funny. I give ya... hmm... a week. Tops. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #49
Man, was I wrong or what? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #52
What did he say? uppityperson Aug 2013 #61
It was a two sentence post about Zimmerman, IMO intended only as flamebait. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #62
Thanks uppityperson Aug 2013 #66
Yes, I Respect the System On the Road Aug 2013 #53
No, I don't Marrah_G Aug 2013 #54
Oh, heck no. ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #57
As a principle on Paper? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #58
I have lost some respect for it over the years cprise Aug 2013 #59
I did RobertEarl Aug 2013 #60
I respect it the same way I would respect Mussolini or something. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #64
Simple question, one-word answer: NO!!! Raksha Aug 2013 #65
I think the original concept was fine Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #70
Not the way it currently is davidn3600 Aug 2013 #71
The whitewash of Iran/Contra G_j Aug 2013 #72
The one as written originally or the one it has become? hobbit709 Aug 2013 #73
Yes. It has worked since 1789. treestar Aug 2013 #76
Lost some faith during Vietnam but regained it when Nixon resigned rurallib Aug 2013 #77
Democracy requires an informed public with empathy KansDem Aug 2013 #78
.... warrprayer Aug 2013 #79
sometimes Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #80
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