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JDPriestly

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88. When our elected representatives are not allowed to tell us how they voted on important

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:36 AM

Aug 2013

national issues, how are we supposed to know who to vote for? How are we supposed to decide whether those representatives are representing us or some other interests?

And yes, when our elected representatives cannot tell us how they voted on important issues for fear of being imprisoned or killed or silenced by some other means, then we are living in a police state. And who in the world appointed the police that run the show? It wasn't Obama. He got most of the crew from George W. Bush. The crew stays on from one administration to the next. That is another fact that supports your premise that we are a police state. The real authorities are not our elected officials but those unelected officials who decide what is secret and what is not. Obama appoints the head of the NSA and a few deputies, but aren't most of the people at the NSA bureaucrats, and aren't they the ones making these decisions? Or does Obama want to take credit for silencing our members of Congress?

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Senators CLAIM Their Votes On Key Issues Are "CLASSIFIED" [View all] Segami Jul 2013 OP

We are a police state Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #1

I think the constitution was used as toilet paper and flushed years ago Heather MC Jul 2013 #19

The Republic died in the aftermath of 9/11 Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #53

sounds like wishful thinking on your part. Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #61

I expected Bush to nominate lunatics Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #64

Well Done!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #77

+10000! Fearless Aug 2013 #85

Beauty post! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #93

It is sad we have to spell this out Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #106

+1 Well said. cui bono Aug 2013 #81

so republicans are not responsible for their actions? Dustin DeWinde Aug 2013 #87

You have a lot of Caretha Aug 2013 #96

Where did I say Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #107

so since you were posting on this site Dustin DeWinde Aug 2013 #111

Seriously, now you are trolling Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #114

Exactly. The guilt of the GOP goes without saying. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #92

Rec Champion Jack Aug 2013 #101

I actually the republic died 22NOV1963... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #78

These malefactors grew bold after the collapse of the Soviet Union......nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #94

We need an enemy... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #110

Little doubt about that.........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #124

Bush v Gore..... Enthusiast Aug 2013 #90

As long as we do not have Check Points at major intersections or on streets crossing RC Jul 2013 #32

Hmmm Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #36

OooKeee. Forgot about those. RC Jul 2013 #37

If you get stopped by the police Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #45

Police repression exists in varying degrees dependent upon and highly correlated HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #57

I don't believe in mincing words Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #58

They will continue to work as long as they have the perception they will Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #112

May be closer than we think. I saw reports today that Orr, the Detroit HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #118

Man I hope it's closer. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #119

What I'd like to see is the Detroit Police Department arrest Orr on the charge HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #120

oh that would be good Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #121

and you can choose not to drive when the check points are announced dlwickham Jul 2013 #59

Sure, especially if check points are on your way to work Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #60

WTF??? hueymahl Jul 2013 #65

Announced? CubicleGuy Jul 2013 #67

Right, but then I live in the real world Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #108

Today, you have checkpoints at all the routers, not the real pathways. Coyotl Aug 2013 #127

You are correct. Why have actual check points when one person sitting at a A/C console miles away RC Aug 2013 #128

I agree Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #35

And we are only in the early stages. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #66

Actually, I am rather amazed at how overt it has been Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #69

Sadly, I'm afraid that what you pointed out is just the beginning. Zorra Aug 2013 #84

And we have NO OPPOSITION PARTY! bvar22 Aug 2013 #113

Yet another problem Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #116

When our elected representatives are not allowed to tell us how they voted on important JDPriestly Aug 2013 #88

Obama's sin is not that he created a police state Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #109

It is clear and compelling...nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91

Soon, they'll be voting in secret on secret laws MNBrewer Jul 2013 #2

Exactly! hobbit709 Jul 2013 #4

What do you mean, soon? antiquie Jul 2013 #10

The pieces are all in place, I don't think they're efficiently connected yet, though MNBrewer Jul 2013 #13

Lack of governmental efficiency antiquie Jul 2013 #14

and heaven05 Jul 2013 #18

Soon? That's how we started. sofa king Jul 2013 #42

And then you'll never get out, or you'll know the secret. eom TransitJohn Aug 2013 #100

Occult Government, Inc. Berlum Jul 2013 #3

Secret government, secret laws, secret courts, secret spying ... what a democracy. Scuba Jul 2013 #5

These prima-donna Senators walk around like Mafia Dons. Segami Jul 2013 #6

Just Curious - Has Al Franken Been Brainwashed?....... global1 Jul 2013 #17

Al was on record a few weeks ago Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #38

Oh, good. Now I feel better. Thank you Al. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #55

Al Franken has ALWAYS been a "moderate". bvar22 Aug 2013 #117

Agreed Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #123

Even Reagan is to the LEFT of the Democratic Party leadership on some BIG issues. bvar22 Aug 2013 #125

not surprising coming from di-fi leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #7

Unknown unknowables JEB Jul 2013 #8

Eventually they will say that their elections are secret too n2doc Jul 2013 #9

Easily manupuilated Black Box Voting Machines and Central Tabulators... bvar22 Aug 2013 #115

Fuck that noise! They are public servants. Not royalty! think Jul 2013 #11

They are corporate servants, Think N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2013 #30

Doh! think Jul 2013 #31

That's ridiculous. bluedigger Jul 2013 #12

Hey, can what I pay in taxes be classified, too? rocktivity Jul 2013 #15

LOL! Segami Jul 2013 #16

I think we should all classify our salaries since we're paying THEIRS wordpix Jul 2013 #41

I'm glad my national security is so well protected caseymoz Jul 2013 #20

Aiding rebels is illegal. It is a clear violation of international law. Coyotl Jul 2013 #21

Back in the 80s, they had to do it secretly GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #122

They may be doing a lot in secret because it is illegal -- CIA stuff, working around the laws Coyotl Aug 2013 #126

Dianne Feinstein takes her oversight role very seriously (to the bank) bobduca Jul 2013 #22

I wonder how much she pays the gardener for that front garden alone wordpix Jul 2013 #43

I think there's enough money floating around DiFi & her mobster husband Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #46

+1 Segami Jul 2013 #49

She's worth about 70 million and still takes her salary and that is relevant Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #105

Pays? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #129

My, my...it pays to be a Senator, regardless of which stripe. Segami Jul 2013 #76

Such cowards. City Lights Jul 2013 #23

+1 nolabels Jul 2013 #29

What would happen to a US Senator if he or she openly discussed classified information? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #24

I've read that they are told it's treason to divulge info from closed top secret hearings. bobduca Jul 2013 #25

"..Charge everyone with that heinous law...".......but themselves! Segami Jul 2013 #26

Would that also include reading it into the congressional record? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #27

How the hell is this a functioning democracy anymore? Broward Jul 2013 #28

If what you've done is so shameful you have to hide behind "it's classified" NuclearDem Jul 2013 #33

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #34

What possible argument could be made for classifying a vote? Marr Jul 2013 #39

"a shield from accountability" ---DiFi, that goes for you, too wordpix Jul 2013 #40

They should also get their paychecks in secret -- LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #44

A sign that they know what they are doing is wrong. gtar100 Jul 2013 #47

Apparently, UtahLib Jul 2013 #48

This is exactly how total states act nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #50

This NSA, CIA, "secrecy-state" garbage has gone way too far. reformist2 Jul 2013 #51

Well, if you are an ass-kissing NSA person...this is so logical. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #52

We are so totally fucked...... Swede Atlanta Jul 2013 #54

VERY Impressed so far hueymahl Jul 2013 #56

Hmm. I guess we shouldn't worry about matters that are none of our business.... midnight Jul 2013 #62

Utterly unacceptable. Time to reload the entire system. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #63

Moderate rebels? burnodo Jul 2013 #68

Politboro? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #70

Scary and indefensible. Secret laws, secrets prisons, secrets votes, secret courts. Some democracy. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #71

Well obviously The People are not in the same class felix_numinous Jul 2013 #72

Proof again: There is no accountability in Washington (or Wall Street) emsimon33 Jul 2013 #73

time to clean house. We need to make Congress a revolving door. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #74

And the horse they stole to ride in on... nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #75

Sure, yeah, that's EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Beartracks Jul 2013 #79

+1 avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #86

POLICE STATE blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #80

How much more proof is needed? DeSwiss Aug 2013 #82

wow that's messed up. Everybody grab yer pitchforks and lets go. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #83

This is grounds for major uprising. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

The darkness closes in. 99Forever Aug 2013 #95

So their votes are a matter of national security, eh? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #97

Sorry, you're not allowed to know how your public servants serve you. That's private. tclambert Aug 2013 #98

Yup, says "a Washington-based libertarian think tank." Progressive dog Aug 2013 #99

Did you expect them to arm al Queda in public? Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #102

Under what program or situation? treestar Aug 2013 #103

grab your passport and run, or sit down and pass the popcorn. It's over. librechik Aug 2013 #104