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WCGreen

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57. All I can say is here in Cleveland, 980k in 1950 to about 350k now...

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:37 AM

Aug 2013

Has been able to revitalize several area's surround the downtown public square.

It took 30 years for Ohio City, the area just to the west of Downtown, to finally hit the point where homesteaders and artists and young professionals as well as section 8 housing has mingled together and created a vibrant urban neighborhood.

There are at least 6 other areas in Cleveland that have been thriving.

If I was younger, I would be down there now. In fact when Mrs. WCGreen and I took our vows in 1988, we shopped around in the Treemount Area looking to embrace the urban experience. But my health started to fail and we nixed that plan and moved into a suburban neighborhood. It's serene, delightful but full of republicans.

It takes time. Several neighborhoods were on the verge of breaking out and something seemed to suck out the energy just as it was getting momentum.

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Detroit: The new hipster mecca [View all] HiPointDem Jul 2013 OP

Gentrification. Let's push out all of the poor minorities and replace them with white 20 somethings. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #1

don't assume they are living off their parents CreekDog Jul 2013 #2

a lot of them are living off their trust funds, though. as you can verify by researching some of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #4

Gentrification is trust fund baby hipsters taking over a community... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #5

Do you live in Detroit? n/t susanna Jul 2013 #3

Nope. Why? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #6

Your concern rings quite shallow. n/t susanna Jul 2013 #8

My concern is with the tried and true method of displacing the poor and white washing... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #9

The burbs will be better for them dude. Give it up. ErikJ Jul 2013 #11

Haven't you already suffered enough in these discussions? With your beacon of hope... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #13

Lots of blacks in Renton area. Lots. And the Sound area around Tacoma is almost half black. ErikJ Jul 2013 #14

oh, statistics-i-pulled-out-my-rear man is back. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #16

he claims to live in portland. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #25

Wow! trumad Jul 2013 #38

detroit has a higher population density than portland oregon. it's not rotting for lack of people. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #41

It's rotting because there's no tax base. trumad Jul 2013 #43

If I was incorrect in my assumption, I apologize. susanna Aug 2013 #60

The issue is displacing the poor, not with them possibly leaving in the future. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #65

if he doesn't live there his concern rings shallow? how's that? (and how do you 'ring shallow' HiPointDem Jul 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author susanna Aug 2013 #61

There was nothing there... WCGreen Jul 2013 #10

What do you mean nothing was there? Was there literally no people at all in these areas? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #12

Wow are you ignorant. There are 1000's of acres of open fields in Detoit now dummy. ErikJ Jul 2013 #15

yeah, it's across the street from empty wayne state university. acres and acres of emptiness. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #19

Portland Oregon: 145 m2, 600K people. Detroit: 149 m2, 700K people. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #21

1.85 million. Close enough. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #29

you'd better read his 'point' again. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #34

there was nothing there in the neighborhood of the detroit arts institute? what? it's right across HiPointDem Jul 2013 #18

Isn't that a natural place for the "Hipster" to settle in.... WCGreen Jul 2013 #50

yes. and there was something there. many things, actually. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #52

I still don't get why you are angry, or rather against, that some outsiders decided WCGreen Aug 2013 #55

I am not against outsiders moving into detroit. i am not even against hipsters moving to detroit. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #56

All I can say is here in Cleveland, 980k in 1950 to about 350k now... WCGreen Aug 2013 #57

There are no fewer poor people. What you are describing as revitalization is just a shifting around HiPointDem Aug 2013 #58

That's already somewhat happening (young professionals downtown). susanna Aug 2013 #62

I would move back to Detroit ellie Jul 2013 #44

i imagine there are lots of people who would move to detroit if they could find jobs. but since HiPointDem Aug 2013 #53

Good luck with that. They better be self-sufficient because ErikJ Jul 2013 #7

right. they're going to turn off the electricity in the neighborhoods surrounding michigan's 3rd- HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20

I love this thread quaker bill Jul 2013 #22

I love straw men. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #23

its a kind of a weird thread in some ways, but entertaining non the less loli phabay Jul 2013 #24

I got hooked reading it ... when very young, I remember well my father RKP5637 Jul 2013 #26

A great many are somewhat there quaker bill Jul 2013 #31

The hipsters arrive in Austin everytime the econ. hits the fan... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #47

I have been looking at St. Pete quaker bill Jul 2013 #49

Land, houses are still cheap. Though I know little of it, Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #54

Detroit is too cold quaker bill Aug 2013 #59

This >>> "decades of deindustrialization are the main culprit." As with much of RKP5637 Jul 2013 #27

cities change, demographically, industry etc etc. once the slide starts people leave loli phabay Jul 2013 #30

Yeah, I see it as a good thing. ... it's a spark to maybe get the city moving again. The RKP5637 Jul 2013 #35

the city *is* moving, and it's not because of hipsters. hipsters do jack. they are a symptom, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36

This is true. The well-connected players are beginning to circle the feed trough. susanna Aug 2013 #63

Where better to start than with Detroit? kentuck Jul 2013 #28

I seem to recall young "hipsters" flocking to depressed areas justiceischeap Jul 2013 #32

I've seen this pattern so many times. Some of the cool coastal towns I used to RKP5637 Jul 2013 #37

no. they didn't move to depressed 'areas,' they moved to low-rent neighborhoods in otherwise HiPointDem Jul 2013 #42

Well, if you put it that way, I see your point a little better. susanna Aug 2013 #64

lots of them are just ordinary people. but an 'arts scene' is always made by the wealthy. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #66

I was struck by this: LisaLynne Jul 2013 #33

Real estate is super cheap here... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #39

Apparently living in a set of ruins appeals to hipsters, somehow. Nunliebekinder Jul 2013 #40

As a Detroiter, I take umbrage. The city is more than a "set of ruins". marmar Jul 2013 #46

As Portland breathes a sigh of relief... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #45

K&R YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #48

The easiest policy to save Detroit is a law that.... Taitertots Jul 2013 #51